Fakesub Review: [Commie] Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta – The Pilot’s Love Song (Episode 07)

Disqualified, Fansub Review — By on March 2, 2014 3:42 pm

This post was written by Dark_Sage. He is Dark_Sage.

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I should learn to check Commie scripts for actual editing before going straight into the review. Would save me a lot of wasted time.

Karaoke.

[Commie] Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta - 07 [D0D91F45].mkv_snapshot_00.27_[2014.03.01_21.07.24] [Commie] Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta - 07 [D0D91F45].mkv_snapshot_00.38_[2014.03.01_21.07.40]

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Terrible karaoke, as per the Commie standard.

 

Font.

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If you’re going to choose a font for the main dialogue, it’s generally best to choose something that isn’t going to cause viewers to taste their own bile.

 

Script.

Issues present in the original Crunchyroll script remain unchanged. These include a lack of understanding how2/punctuation/, unclear dialogue, incorrect tense use, and general Engrish.

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. -> :

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A line so clear it could have only been developed in a mud bath.

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would -> will

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seconds -> seconds’ worth of

 

Of course, they also were happy to add errors in.

[Commie] Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta - 07 [D0D91F45].mkv_snapshot_02.13_[2014.03.02_14.10.39]

That’s not how you pluralize aircraft. It was a good guess, though!

[Commie] Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta - 07 [D0D91F45].mkv_snapshot_23.37_[2014.03.02_14.16.41]

The term in the idiomatic sense is mincemeat. But hey, way to show confidence in your English by not bothering to check your very few edits. Fake it till you make it, right?

 

“What’s Pride? Is that something you can eat?”

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If so, Commie must be starving.

 

 

Results

Disqualified.

To the surprise of no one, Commie just slapped their name on a Crunchyroll script and called it their own. There’s no reason to wait for this over the HorribleSubs/Crunchyroll version, unless you really hate readable fonts.

And if you’re wondering why Commie still bothers releasing when they clearly don’t give a shit about the scene or anime in general, it’s because the traffic they get from it can be pretty profitable:

Hey it beats having a job right RHE

As of today, they have 48 people signed up, each of whom are paying fees for the honor of being considered Commie supporters.

Fansubbing always was serious business, but for some groups now it’s mostly just a business.

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412 Comments

Solaristics says:

278 was my favorite line :D… Anyway, I laughed at the coin shit they’re doing.

Solaristics says:

Just noticed that the one who’s editing this release is also the same as the other one you disqualified for Commie.

Nyangoro says:

There’s… there’s no way that’s the font they chose for the ED’s karaoke. I can’t believe anyone would choose that.

Why? Why ever?

nakkinyan says:

Glad I didn’t waste my time watching their version. When my choices are only Commie or HS/CR, I just get HS.

Still want to see Log Horizon and Monogatari typeset but refuse to download those from commie either.

Absolute says:

CR/Funi/Aniplex’s script + kawaii TS/karaoke = Commie
Glad I didn’t watch their shit again.

Jark says:

It kinda looks like someone forgot to mux the font for the ED.

Anon says:

I could believe that. THORA’s Bounen no Xamdou OP has a similar font and it’s so bad in comparison to the fonts they use for the other opening and endings it made me think they forgot to mux the font there too.

AnimeNOW says:

The total donation count that UTW got still gets my sides

Nevaritius says:

What’s this about?

duplex says:

UTW raised $3,778.13 from their last donation drive.

izeroii says:

Shows how much people WANT to support a fansub group that cares and communicates with their fans instead of the repackaged shit we get from groups like Commie (ie groups that don’t give a shit about anime or their fans)

duplex says:

Thanks for your opinion.

yoch says:

>Fansubbing always was serious business, but for some groups now it’s mostly just a business.

Now I get why Daiz wants to popularize fansubbed anime.

Also explains the obnoxious persistence of the commie IDF.

Bneundh says:

Yea, those guys should just go die in a fire ~

lol says:

Commie releases to provide for those who want 10bit and Karaoke effects. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Why the false accusations about subbing just for donations? This isn’t a review, this is a just an excuse to talk shit about Commie. That’s pretty messed up. The last part that you typed was completely unnecessary.

Solaristics says:

Lol. They put more time and effort in the “new” donations thing than they do in their own script. This is a review, it reviewed that they changed nothing to the script.

duplex says:

>They put more time and effort in the “new” donations thing than they do in their own script.
The Monacoin pool is operated by a single staff member. The pool fees are negligible (less than $0.02 USD per round) and are not a viable source for donations.

Solaristics says:

News to me. I was expecting more tbh.

>Karaoke effects
>Commie

Now who’s making false accusations?

Solaristics says:

This. Commie just changes the color. Such effort.

anon says:

I’m pretty sure he just meant translations of the OP/ED. Crunchyroll doesn’t offer those, so it is something that Commie brings to the table.

Ryuk says:

They don’t have the best encodes either…

duplex says:

Elaborate.

Ryuk says:

Meaning CR’s encodes are usually the best.

Pretty Anon says:

I’m sure you love color banding.

Hunta says:

To be utterly fair, old school kara/dvd style lyrics were done in teal, not yellow.

yoch says:

>an excuse to talk shit about Commie

Wait, we need an excuse now?

I mean, I’d have talked about the review but it’s just standard Commie shit we’ve seen a thousand times: take a Crunchyrip, add an alright karaoke, then make the script worse because somewhere an editor needs to feel they’re contributing. You could copy+paste that into pretty much any disqualified fakesub whether Commie or not.

lae says:

http://milk.tea.jp/i/nzfLDH.png

The pool has earned a total of ~23.5 monacoins since it was brought up out of a total of 6250 monacoins generated. At the current exchange rate (using monatr.jp and bitcoin exchanges), these numbers would equate to about about 103 yen and 27375 yen respectively. The pool fee itself brought ~6.4 monacoins, or ~28 yen (the other 17.1 were donations that users explicitly specified in their account settings).

Since someone is unable to read – starting from 21 Feb there were no fees until 12am on 3 Mar. Even then, the two users driving half of the pool hashrate are no-fee users (they are contributing 2.5MH/s at time of writing, while the pool hashrate is 4.4MH/s), so currently, the 1% pool fee is hardly worth mentioning.

Let’s do a bit of math here. Over the past 24 hours, the pool has found 15 blocks – with the monacoin block reward of 50, the last 24 hours brought the pool 750 monacoins. Ignoring other no-fee users apart from the two mentioned above, we’ll say that 44% of the total hashrate has a 1% tax from the pool fee – that is, 330 monacoins are affected by the pool fee. The pool fee would have brought in 3.3 monacoins over the last day had it been in effect the entire time (it still hasn’t been 24 hours since the fee was reimplemented). At the current exchange rate, 3.3 monacoins brings in about 14-15 yen, which is about 15 American cents. 15c/day for a month brings about 4-5 dollars.

Take that how you will.

Here are some other corrected facts and other statistics for readers, as well:

~# mysql mona_mpospool -e ‘select count(*) from accounts;’
+———-+
| count(*) |
+———-+
| 209 |
+———-+
(there are a total of 209 users signed up)
~# mysql mona_mpospool -e ‘select username from shares;’ | tail -n+2 | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c | wc -l
19
(in the current round, a total of 19 users are mining in this pool)
[email protected]:~# mysql mona_mpospool -e “select count(*) from accounts where last_login > $(date –date=’yesterday’ +%s)”
+———-+
| count(*) |
+———-+
| 17 |
+———-+
(a total of 17 users last logged into the pool website in the past 24 hours)

The pool isn’t meant to be for profit, it’s meant to publicize the monacoin cryptocurrency to western audiences.

lae says:

By the way, the fact that I’m contributing to the localization of the official monacoin exchange, participating in and inviting people to 2ch’s monacoin sponsored mahjong tournaments (despite me being a terrible player) and keeping up with things the monacoin community produces doesn’t really seem to mesh with your agenda of pushing the pool as an attempt by “Commie Enterprises ™” (and me) to earn a profit.

puddi says:

for the record, SQL statements don’t prove a point. The data that they bring back does, so their inclusion seems a bit unnecessary.

lae says:

I could be talking shit out of my ass by stating such and such by not showing how I gathered such and such data (not like I couldn’t be now, but at least showing the queries will let other pool administrators confirm what the queries mean if they were so inclined).

Dark_Sage says:

Oh, please forgive me. You’re right; charging people a fee for the honor of… uhh… existing in your e-presence is pure charity. What a selfless person you are!

What about your Bitcoin and Litecoin donations? And all the money you’ve pulled from Paypal? Come on lae, while you’re being honest, why not give us all those numbers? Such generosity on your part should surely be lauded.

lae says:

The bitcoin and litecoin donations have nothing to do with me. Ask Rhe for those.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh right. I forgot how the Commie pyramid works. The main take is for the master.

So tell me mudsill-kun, why are you charging your dear downloaders anything if money apparently has no reason to enter the equation? Please, defend yourself. I do so love being entertained.

lae says:

Specifying that something is not for profit does not require money to not show up in the equation at all.

Please visit the pools listed at http://keystore00.github.io/pools and come back to me if you still haven’t figured out why pools charge a fee (that is mostly insignificant on an individual basis) to their miners.

Or do you somehow believe I can obtain servers for free?

Also, what downloaders? I doubt anyone who’s downloaded anything uploaded by me is mining in this pool, and if they cared about fees, they’d solo mine.

Dark_Sage says:

Their fees are paying for a server that you can’t afford to maintain on your own that’s doing… magic? Your site explains nothing.

And when I said downloaders, I was referring to the audience you were attempting to rope into your little scheme by stickying a post on a site that purports to be a fansub group’s site. You may know them as leechers. Most people know Commie fans as gutter trash, but I think we’re getting a bit too deep into semantics now.

Seriously, if you think anyone’s gonna buy you’re not doing this for profit, you’re as stupid as you think your gutter trash are.

Xythar says:

>Their fees are paying for a server that you can’t afford to maintain on your own that’s doing… magic? Your site explains nothing.

Maybe you should actually look into what mining pools are and how they work before you write dramatic posts condemning them.

Did you think the people participating in the pool were being charged real money or something?

Dark_Sage says:

So can I have 1% of your paycheck then? I’m sure within a month I’d have enough for a McChicken.

Xythar says:

Maybe you should actually look into what mining pools are and how they work before you write dramatic posts condemning them.

Dark_Sage says:

I shouldn’t have expected a phone bank operator to know what wage skimming is. Maybe there’s a reason you’re poor.

Xythar says:

You’re so ignorant it baffles me.

I’ve never worked in any job remotely involving phones, I’m hardly poor, and your constant comparisons to salary simply reinforce that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Please, read up on mining pools and let’s continue the conversation when (if?) you’re informed. This is just embarrassing to read.

Dark_Sage says:

Aww, so you were lying to me back when we were true pals? Geez Xythar, you were scratching the writing into the wall from the beginning, weren’t ya buddy?

But hold on, I can play your game: “Hey Xythar, read up on mining pools. You’re wrong as long as I repeat that sentence. Fuck yeah, internet arguing.”

Oh shit, what’re ya gonna do now that I figured out your clever strat, Xythar? You might actually have to formulate a real thought now!

Xythar says:

I never said anything to you about working in a cell center, or a phone bank, or whatever the hell you got into your head. I’m a programmer, and I’ve never told anyone otherwise. Not my problem if your memory is shot.

Yes, I would like you to actually know what mining pools are before you scream and rant about how bad this one is. Seems reasonable to me.

Dark_Sage says:

Please, read up on mining pools, phone tech-kun.

lae says:

I can afford to maintain it myself, but what regulating authority says I have to? The fact still remains that it’s not profitable.

That site does not belong to me, it belongs to a developer from 2ch.

And sure, I’m definitely scamming people despite being upfront about fees in the first sentence after a link. The people who mine know what they’re getting into – the people who don’t sound like this: http://waa.ai/bQI http://waa.ai/bQ8

Also, >implying sites have to be limited to one topic and one topic only
Haven’t you seen the reviews or VN sections yet?

lae says:

Okay, it would /maybe/ be profitable if someone dumped a botnet worth 1GH/s of hashrate into the pool.

lae says:

of course if someone from the west did this, it would kill the monacoin economy in nipland because the current net hashrate isn’t even at half a GH/s

Dark_Sage says:

Didn’t you guys stop the reviews after you realized you couldn’t copy my swagger? Seriously, let me know when you can come up with an original thought (“crytpocurrency is so hot” doesn’t count) and I’ll spend more time on your site than simply validating it exists when I have to for my reviews.

“They know they’re being fucked and they like it, so don’t bug me man. Let me rip the trash off.” Sorry, lae-chan. Just because you’re ripping off low-tiers doesn’t exempt you from being called out on it.

lae says:

I’ll just let your suffering end here.

Dark_Sage says:

Shit, you’re killing yourself? Link the livestream. I think we could all use the lulz.

lae says:

Yeah, I’m stoning myself to death for my disgrace, as expected of a koran-abiding Muslim, eh?

Dark_Sage says:

What?

Xythar says:

What is it about the rates charged that leads you to believe it’s a ripoff?

Dark_Sage says:

Are you that thick? You’re charging people for nothing under the guise of doing them a favor. What else would you call it?

Xythar says:

Why do you think it’s “for nothing”?

Dark_Sage says:

Because they’re paying for nothing. What did you think the 1% got them? Seriously, fuck you for trying to scam anime fans. (And make sure to read up on mining pools!)

Xythar says:

They’re paying for nothing because they’re paying for nothing? Can you explain that in a less circular way?

Dark_Sage says:

Jesus Christ, at this point I can’t tell whether you have less pride or IQ.

If paying some random jackoff (who’s totes trustable because hey he’s an anime fan and look at all these animes he made with the commies) 1% of anything you mine offers you nothing, then maybe you can guess what it offers you.

One of these days you’ll be able to connect that dot, Xythar. Keep at it!

lae says:

yeah, we all know cryptocurrency is real money and isn’t susceptible to becoming worth nothing when banks shut down all paths of cross-fiat transfer

Xythar says:

I just want to see him express some kind of logical path of reasoning from start to finish.

Of course, to do that he’d actually have to know what he was talking about.

Xythar says:

D_S: That’s not at all how it works. This is why I’ve been telling you to read up on mining pools before you make am even bigger fool of yourself – you are operating under a fundamental misconception regarding what they’re for and how they work. Are you actually going to inform yourself now or do I need to spoonfeed you?

>Jesus Christ, at this point I can’t tell whether you have less pride or IQ.

Funnily enough, this is exactly how I feel every time I read your comments on this post.

Xythar says:

Hint: You might want to start by finding out why people use mining pools to begin with. Then you might find out what they get out of it that’s worth the fee.

Hunta says:

Xythar, you have people asking you more questions about Symphogear, maybe you should answer them instead.

Hunta says:

And yes, I am implying that ALL crypto-currencies are a scam by default, why do you ask.

Xythar says:

Hunta: Posted, though I can’t add much.

And yeah, I’ve stayed out of the whole cryptocurrency thing myself. My electricity bill is high enough already.

Hunta says:

So you admit to scamming your viewers?

lae says:

Who says Xythar has anything to do with this?

You should probably read my post at 1:17am EST as well.

Hunta says:

Lae: you all look alike to me. v0v

Mike, from Canmore says:

Have any of you considered a career as a youtube celebrity?

Solaristics says:

Go afk for an hour and more stuff happens. Time to read.

lae says:

I hope you enjoy the Muslim comment.

Hairy says:

Really hope you’re writing reviews while arguing with Commie devs.

lae says:

He said he was going to start writing one before I made him explode in ecstasy, so

Dark_Sage says:

I had one started, but unlike them I have work in the morning, so now tonight’s review is canceled.

Sorry, you’ll have to deal with the dancing jesters for now.

Dark_Sage says:

And speaking of, good night all.

Hopefully they’ll keep their retardspasms up enough to entertain you in lieu of one of my posts.

Hunta says:

I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH POPCORN FOR THIS

Hunta says:

>See Xythar posts Recent comments
>Yay more hilarious posting to read
>Stumble into /r/altcoin
>WE MUST SHOW HOW MUCH WE DON’T CARE POST POST INTERNET ARGUMENTS
Just as expected. Never change commie, never change.

Torn says:

ヽ( ゚ヮ・)ノ

D2K says:

Man, I love how they went straight to the money issue instead the review itself. They don´t even try anymore, it’s like they gave up in the whole fansub thing.

lae says:

I don’t fansub, so why would I talk about the review?

Hunta says:

Why wouldn’t you? It’s more interesting than the scam that you’re running.

lae says:

pleins a shit

the only shows worth watching this season is #inarikonkon and #mikakunin

Hunta says:

Shit taste trap sprung.

lae says:

<3 to you too

Hunta says:

<3 See, isn't this so much nicer?

Xythar says:

I have no horse in this race. Blatant ignorance just annoys me is all.

Hunta says:

Somebody on the internet is wrong! Quick! We must tell them about it!To the Postmobile!

Xythar says:

Problem?

Hunta says:

Yes.
Running out of popcorn.
Send help.

Xythar says:

I wish I could help.

Xythar says:

I’ll need your name and address.

Hunta says:

If only I weren’t on the road and knew for a fact that amazon would ship to a UPS store.

Hunta says:

Lemme get back to you on that. :3

Kristen says:

It’s very hard to trust what Commie says. After all, http://commiesubs.com/commie-donation-drive/

And yet whenever you call them out for it, they always blame RHE.

I think that RHE isn’t a real person. He is simply a person made up by the upper staff to place the blame on for any swindling/unethical business.

Anon says:

https://www.gittip.com/RHExcelion/
Why wouldn’t you give Commie money weekly?

fnord says:

ITT: Dark_Sage acting like he has specialist knowledge.

Man, you’ve managed to get even crankier.

Zeus-Kun! says:

LMFAO Dork Sage whose english is fucked up now?

Minced meat may refer to:
Ground meat, meat that has been minced or ground.

MincED meat may be CONFUSED with:
MINCEMEAT, a mixture of dried fruit and spices, commonly does NOT contain any meat.

Read more books and stop watching anime pleb.

So basically that line was correct because minced meat is meat that is cut up. Which is what would most likely happen to your body if you got into plane crash. The human body is not made up of dried fruit and spices, it is made up of flesh/meat or whatever you want to call it.

Dark_Sage says:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/mincemeat
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_mincemeat_out_of

They tried to play with an idiom that they didn’t understand.

Xythar says:

Or you tried to play with words you didn’t understand…

Anon says:

Just because minced meat is the more correct of the two by the meaning of the word doesn’t make it the one that’s actually used idiomatically. When you it as a phrase, mincemeat is typically the one used.

Xythar says:

There’s no reason to believe they were trying to invoke the idiom when the phrasing and meaning of the line are both completely different. One look at the HS line should tell you that it’s a simple “they’ll wind up dead” (ie, shot to tiny pieces) line, hence the conversion of “fish food” to “minced meat”.

flipr says:

I don’t get it. Either they’re invoking the idiom incorrectly, or they changed the sentence to sound even less like something a native speaker would say. No matter how you want to mansplain it, the edited sentence is worse than the original.

Zeus-Kun! says:

They aren’t invoking an idiom period. They used it as a noun. It’s as clear as day.

Anon says:

And what flipr is saying is that English speakers wouldn’t use it as a noun in that context, so if they’re using it as a noun and not an idiom, it’s less natural.

Zeus-Kun! says:

How is it less natural? If you get into a plane crash of that caliber you will be turning into minced meat literally, end of story. The situation they’re in fits that line.

Anon says:

Because no one would say it like that. Again, just because it’s more correct in meaning doesn’t mean it’s right word for the job. You can say you weren’t trying to invoke the idiom all you want, and that’s perfectly valid, but in this case not invoking the idiom is the wrong choice because one would naturally expect the idiom in this case. Using the correct word instead of the idiom is a rare occurrence and thus feels less natural.

flipr says:

Cool. So they changed “fish food” which is something a native speaker would say to “minced meat” which is something unusual, slightly awkward due to the extra syllable, and confusingly similar to an idiom that doesn’t quite fit the situation.
I fail to see how that’s an improvement.

Zeus-Kun! says:

I think it is an improvement, fish food sounds very childish. Minced meat is more brutal. It paints the image of a bloody death in the reader’s head.

flipr says:

tl;dr flipr talks out of his ass

Glossing over how both “fish food” and “mincemeat” would be common phrases and that in the heat of the moment a real person wouldn’t come up with something new like “minced meat,” a native speaker will stress “fish” in “fish food,” “mince” in “mincemeat,” but “meat” in “minced meat.”

You may be wondering why this matters. In English, ending a statement or sentence with a stressed syllable adds force to the ending and makes it more declarative. Questions, even when rhetorical, more frequently end in an unstressed syllable to indicate that the conversation isn’t yet done.

Challenge: ask me a question that ends in a stressed syllable. If you do, you’ll find out the answer to the question “is there really a true Scottsman?”

Xythar says:

Depends on what the line is referring to. I don’t have the original Japanese here (and from what I recall, it was a line in the preview that had barely any context anyway) but fish food only makes sense if the danger was sinking into a body of water (which is presumably filled with piranhas or something). Shooting someone to bits would turn them into minced meat.

Dark_Sage says:

So you’re saying that Kyhz didn’t even understand he was fucking around with an idiom? I’d believe that. So why don’t you tell me how that makes the line good?

Xythar says:

I don’t really care about your opinion of the line. I’m just amused by how you fucked up, got called on it, and then furiously tried to backpedal your way to the idiom angle.

Pride comes before the fall, etc.

Dark_Sage says:

What alternate universe are you living in? The line sucks and Crymore ain’t going anywhere.

Shit, I’d say you lost it but I don’t think you ever had it to begin with.

Zeus-Kun! says:

Nope, I’m saying the only idiom present is the one in your head. It makes the line good because when cooked and seasoned properly minced meat is pretty tasty, and fish food taste like shit. When I was 4 I sprinkled some of my goldfish’s food on my spaghetti by mistake (thought it was parmesan cheese cheese) then threw up. I don’t have time for this shit I’m going to go play Far Cry 3.

Zeus-Kun! says:

Nope you’re wrong that line meant getting turned into actual minced meat, a NOUN. The plane crash would cause his body (which contains meat/flesh) to be cut into shreds, hence the minced meat. Get it now Dark Sage-kun?

FalseDawn says:

No native Englander or otherwise would ever say that. I’m amazed how many people are arguing for it when it just wouldn’t be said – and for technicality’s sake, a body would be ripped, not minced. Minced invokes precisions, like you would get with blades, and isn’t a word that means chunks of meat, like you’re suggesting.

Dark_Sage isn’t always right, but in this case, he was bang on the monocoin ;)

Googol says:

Implying idioms even make sense.

FalseDawn says:

They may not, but they make it through on the fact they are idioms. This isn’t an idiom and it doesn’t make sense either, so yeah, it doesn’t work at all.

sjoe says:

Seeing that providing a clear and accurate translation is a major aspect of fansubbing (in my opinion) , I too would certainly prefer an idiom over a word that does not feels wrong to me, even though it may technically be more sound. Because most people, myself included, are likely to say mincemeat. Thought I’d share my opinion, though I’m not quite a fansubber.

sjoe says:

Oops,a typo in my comment renders it nonsensical. I meant – I’d prefer an idiom over a word that feels wrong, though that word may be technically more sound. *

XiaYixuan says:

>That’s not how you pluralize aircraft.
TIL

flipr says:

Seiji-kun –

You seem to be under some misconceptions about how buttcoins (the proper general term) are mined. To greatly simplify things, you are rewarded coins for brute forcing the right answer to a math problem. However, the method you use to brute force the math problem turns up a lot of incorrect answers that don’t get rewarded. There’s some amount of randomness to whether you find the right solution on any given attempt.

I don’t know your background, so apologies if I’m explaining something you know, but the idea is that when you pool random variables, the total variability decreases. For instance, imagine flipping a coin. It wouldn’t be strange to get tails twice in a row. In this case, you got tails 100% of the time. However, if you flipped it 1000 times, you’d expect to be much closer to 50%. Now imagine that the coin weighs 500 lbs, and you only get paid if it lands on heads. It’d be much more effort to flip the coin, and you’d have the risk of not getting paid for the few times you’re able to flip it. However, if 1000 of your buddies decided you’d all flip the coin once and would split the profits, you’d greatly reduce the risk of not getting paid for your effort. This similar to the reason people will pay a fee to invest in a mutual fund.

Thus, the benefit of pooling a mining operation is twofold.
1. You are paid coins more frequently (although each payment is smaller). This is common sense — more people trying to solve the problem, the faster it gets solved.
2. The variability in the number of hashes calculated before payout is reduced. This is a reduction in risk.

People pay pool fees because the steadier income and the reduced risk are of value to them.

tl;dr
Flipr wants to prove that he took a stats class once.

flipr says:

Though to be clear, that says nothing about whether the pool operator is doing it for profit. It’s just shows that he’s not taking their money in return for nothing.

lae says:

Seiji-kun just has an issue with any form of revenue if he can’t see the connection to fansubbing.

Just like he thinks video game reviews shouldn’t belong on the site, either.

Dark_Sage says:

My problem is profiting off fansubs.

I actually thought your video game kick was a good idea. It’s just no one in your group has a personality, so you were doomed to fail from the beginning.

lae says:

You must have an odd definition of failure considering companies still provide review copies of games to us.

Dark_Sage says:

I just browsed a few reviews. Worse writing than anime blogs. But hey if you can beg your way into free games I guess that does count as a success. Way to go. I bet you get hundred of hits per review.

Xythar says:

Somehow I doubt the reviews were written with getting hits in mind. Ego is one thing, but free games actually save you money.

lae says:

by the way you should put in a preorder for Atelier Escha&Logy while you’re at gamestop

thx tecmo koei

Solaristics says:

Or watch the anime. Unless that’s shit.

lae says:

It’s not airing yet and probably will be shit because I don’t trust Yoshiaki Iwasaki and Keiya Nakano to get Hidari’s character designs right and animate it well.

Dark_Sage says:

Already did. Dark_Sage only purchases the finest of Japanese juegos.

Ash says:

Did you get in on the $20 Gohastings pre-order?

Dark_Sage says:

You know it. Would never get a Tecmo-Koei game at full price.

…Unless it was Dynasty Warriors, cuz I want something to play on my PS4.

Ash says:

I’m with you on that. I can’t wait for the new Samurai Warriors, though. As for ps4 games, I’ve been hearing really good things about the new Strider.

Dark_Sage says:

I just ended up importing Sengoku Basara for that type of fix. Not sure I could get into Samurai Warriors after that funfest.

Ash says:

Gohastings canceled all of the $20 pre-orders. What a surprise.

Dark_Sage says:

I’ll just wait till it drops to $20 on its own then.

duplex says:

Please explain how it’s “profiting off fansubs” despite having nothing to do with what the group does.

Dark_Sage says:

I think you can answer that one yourself. Hint: it has to do with the site on which you guys are begging for sign-ups.

lae says:

Time to rebuild commiesubs.com into commieenterprises.com, then.

duplex says:

Begging? Where do you see begging? It’s an entirely optional service intended for people interested in cryptocurrencies. Its existence does not affect what we do. Except for the name (for the most part) and the person who operates it (who used the blog merely as a mean of exposure), it has no relation to the group.

Unless you just have a problem with advertising in general…

Dark_Sage says:

I have a problem with profiting financially off fansubs. For example, by promoting your own service with a stickied post for three weeks on a site that purports to be a fansub group’s.

duplex says:

Please explain how it’s “profiting off fansubs” despite having nothing to do with what the group does.

Dark_Sage says:

Because you stickied it on your site, which is primarily visited by people looking for fansubs.

duplex says:

The profit comes from people interested in using the pooled mining service, not people looking for fansubs.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh you’re right. See, I thought people visiting the site were looking for fansubs. But you’re right, it’s just a bunch of pool buddies. Way to put me in my place, guy.

Xythar says:

From what I’ve gathered, we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves by referring to the “profit” as if it existed in the first place.

duplex says:

Also, you still seem to be under the impression that other members are involved in the service (“you stickied it”). lae stickied the post. I don’t think the rest of us even give half a shit combined.

Dark_Sage says:

I find it difficult to differentiate between you guys. None of you have a distinctive enough existence to warrant individual consideration in matters like this one. Sorry, dupletharlae or whatever your name is.

Xythar says:

Most people who visit this site are looking for fansub reviews, but that doesn’t stop you from posting irrelevant bullshit every other day.

Dark_Sage says:

If you’d shut up for a goddamn second I’d have time to get some more reviews out.

Xythar says:

Literally holding a gun to your head, forcing you to reply.

Dark_Sage says:

I’m literally just fucking petty enough to care about getting in the last word after a fucking 150-word spazzfest.

Xythar says:

You’ve got no one to blame but yourself there. Hell, if you could manage to hold yourself back from posting your dumb, ignorant rants in the first place, I wouldn’t feel so compelled to point out how wrong you are.

The whole issue is bullshit to begin with because nobody profits from fansubbing in any significant fashion. Automated rips and re-encodes are where the money is, though who knows if they even make enough to live on.

In short, I have a hard time believing you keep bringing the issue up for any other reason than controversy bait.

Dark_Sage says:

>Automated rips and re-encodes are where the money is

So Commie’s doing pretty well, I take it.

Xythar says:

The group you’re recommending for this show certainly used to!

duplex says:

>See, I thought people visiting the site were looking for fansubs. But you’re right, it’s just a bunch of pool buddies.
Huh?

But people are visiting the site for fansubs, which is why it’s a good place to promote a pooled mining service for a Japan-oriented cryptocurrency. Is there something wrong with that?

Dark_Sage says:

My problem is with profiting off of fansubs. It’s as simple as that. If you’re targeting anime fans for profit on your fansub site, I’m gonna take issue with it.

And I’ve been bitching about this on Crymore since 2010, so don’t even bother playing the “aww we at Commie are so persecuted” bit.

duplex says:

>If you’re targeting anime fans for profit on your fansub site, I’m gonna take issue with it.
Why? What’s the problem with it?

Dark_Sage says:

Fansubbing in a by-the-fans-for-the-fans sense should not have a profit motive behind it. That’s just what I believe in. Not like there’s an internet law against it.

But if you think people should make money off subbing anime, perhaps you could try Crunchyroll.

Xythar says:

Whatever would all those anime fans* do without you to defend them?

*unless they’re Muslims or have Arabic-sounding names

Dark_Sage says:

What?

lae says:

“For those not in the know, it’s basically your 2ch/buyfaggotry/weebcoin.”
“There is also an auction site where you can get amazon.co.jp giftcards…in practice, going at about 15 mona:100 yen, and as low as 10mona:100yen – which comparatively is worth more than USD/yen”
yeah.

duplex says:

>Fansubbing in a by-the-fans-for-the-fans sense should not have a profit motive behind it. That’s just what I believe in.
I can respect that, but I don’t see what it has to do with anything. It’s not Commie’s motive to make a profit.

lae says:

I’m surprised it took you that long to realise that is why his stance is what it is, duplex.

HyakuPercent says:

I get the feeling that you guys are forgetting that profit doesn’t mean that you necessarily mean you have to “gain” from it. Profit refers to both gain and loss. Just wanted to point that out; I don’t want any part in this argument because I don’t even understand how cyptocurrency work.

Period says:

Ohhh shit, as soon as I saw 120 comments I knew drama was going down.

Solaristics says:

This shit is still going on? God help you all.

lae says:

i ♥ bigots like you, too

Kamica says:

I think we all learned from this that it’s never a good idea to instigate Commie. They’re equally as stubborn as Dark_Sage. This leads to no-win situations. Many of them.

lae says:

It’s never a good idea to be racist, either.

Dark_Sage says:

Lessons learned.

Solaristics says:

Please do elaborate.

Solaristics says:

Not sure if I should laugh or not. But thanks for the definition that I already knew.

Dark_Sage says:

I think if I piss them off enough, they’ll start bitching and crying about the end of the internet world, saying they’ll boycott Crymore forever and “fuck you Dark_Sage I’ll never comment again”!

That’ll buy us a month. Hopefully.

lae says:

But we’re currently promoting you on our pool!

Dark_Sage says:

Well that’s mighty kind of you.

Ayu-kun says:

I hope this little heart-to-heart moment won’t delay the reviews.

Dark_Sage says:

It is. I’m heading to bed in like 20 minutes so I have the 5 hours of sleep I need to function at work. Didn’t have time to get a review in tonight. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

Solaristics says:

Don’t worry, Commie will be here tomorrow to delay even more.

Hairy says:

Fucking Commie devs ruin everything!

Dark_Sage says:

Okay, night time. 4.5 is the least I’m willing to take.

Jark says:

I have never seen anyone talk so heatedly and defensively about absolutely nothing before.

Fuwaa says:

New to the internet?

Jark says:

Relatively speaking, yeah, I guess.

Anonymous says:

it’s like they know that what they’re doing is bullshit

lae says:

It’s a good thing my job involves a lot of automation, otherwise I wouldn’t even have time to respond here. I’m still on shift for another two hours, even.

lae says:

courtesy of noscript for breaking the reply chain

Hairy says:

Maybe if Commie, the fansub group, spent less time trying to profit from cryptocurrencies and scoring free games from shitty games reviews, they’d have more time to spend on actually editing the scripts they rip from CR.

I think it’s fair to question Commie’s reason for fansubbing when they’re subbing as many shows as they are, yet put so little effort into them.

Xythar says:

Yes, lae really should have spent more time editing this show instead of working on his monacoin pool.

yoch says:

So you’re saying that the edited script was this shitty even without the editor having any distractions?

Xythar says:

I dunno man, if we’re asking leading questions today, have you stopped sucking dicks yet or are you still at it?

yoch says:

But the edited script is shitty. Objectively worse. I know I can’t expect someone from a group that unironically ran with ‘Eotens’ to really get why, but it’s true.

Still, nice to see you’ve been reduced to “lolno u suk dix XDDDDD”. Stay mad, kid.

Xythar says:

Okay? If you don’t like it, watch HS instead, though I assume you are doing so anyway and are just here because you dislike Commie and want to bitch about them in a supportive environment where you might get to piss off a few devs as well. It’s okay, I’m bored and like arguing on the Internet, so you’ve come to the right place.

Jark says:

Casual homophobia is cool.

Xythar says:

Wow, way to bring out the casual sexism in assuming that only dudes can suck dicks.

Kusion says:

i actually do enjoy some old fashioned dicks

Xythar says:

They don’t make them like they used to.

will says:

Is mine old enough for you, bby?

fohfuu says:

Silly Xythar! That’s a loaded question, not a leading question.

Xythar says:

Oh wait, scratch that, you’re just an idiot.

Dark_Sage says:

Why so mad, Xythar? He’s right. You guys don’t even bother to pretend you edit anymore.

Xythar says:

Are you saying I don’t edit anymore?

Xythar says:

Since you’ve decided to run off to bed: the two of you are equally stupid because you are unable to recognise that different people are responsible for different things. I could believe it as genuine ignorance on his part, but I can only assume you get a kick out of pretending to be stupid.

When you have an actual point to level against actual people, let me know.

Ayu-kun says:

>Commie
>Fansubbing

Fuwaa says:

>Fansubbing in a by-the-fans-for-the-fans sense should not have a profit motive behind it. That’s just what I believe in. Not like there’s an internet law against it.

… Well, technically, there are copyright laws in place against using the original works for profit without permission from the copyright holders. Sometimes, even without the profit aspect, companies get upset at people distributing their work for free and get Cease & Desist orders…

Even if you’re only distributing the translated script, you’re on shaky ground. Especially if the anime’s dub is already licensed by an American country. You should know how much Americans love taking people to court over silly things like that.

Xythar says:

You mean fansubbing is illegal?!

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN PEOPLE SHUT IT ALL DOWN

puddi says:

oh god Oh God OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD

shcboomer says:

Puddi pls…

sjoe says:

Shut everything UP people. Shut it all up. We’ve had enough drama, I guess :D

Hunta says:

I’ll take somebody who does something and is quite upfront about it (HS) over somebody who takes something and makes it worse while being underhanded about their profiteering about it. (Commie.)

Also, Commie? Capitalist scumbags? THE IRONY.

Fuwaa says:

Creating the subs is not illegal, but distributing the subbed anime is, unless you have permission from the copyright holder.

You’re about as likely to get sued for that as you are for distributing a CD, unless you try making money off it, encourage people not to get the official version when it’s out, or draw attention when/if official distributors decide to make an example of a well-known fansubbing group.

Xythar says:

Thanks for clearing that up.

KoolKidsK says:

I thought D_S said someone in the Funi booth at an anime con said just making a translated script is illegal, whether you intend to distribute it or not?

Anon says:

Oh, I’m sure Funimation wished it was. There is absolutely no law against translating anime for your own purposes, it’s not even grey zone.

Nyangoro says:

Who knew a conversation about nothing could get so heated?

lol, jk, it’s the internet.

47B-XI v2.8c Nightly Build says:

ITT: Internecine silliness.

>Who knew a conversation about nothing could get so heated?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_law

elenrod says:

>Goes on the Guardian’s Bundesliga blog.
>People talking about money
>Goes on Crymore.
>People talking about money

So Meja was right?

D2K says:

New record incoming?.

begna112 says:

I do kind of wonder what the most commented post on crymore is. My bet is commie/gg reviews make up 80% of the top ten.

D2K says:

If my memory serves me right, it was Tokyo Ravens courtesy gg (250+).

Anon says:

This has come up before in…I think it was one of the Kyoukai no Kanata reviews that got a ton of comments, and I think the record was from a Q&A post that got over 300 comments.

D2K says:

Hmm, Interesting. I usually tend to avoid Q&A posts because often I don’t know what to ask, so I wasn’t aware of that… >_>´´

Dark_Sage says:

Yup the AMA I did is this site’s most popular post. Love > drama.

Laxx says:

Is this what they call a love-hate relationship? I actually can’t tell anymore whether people are pissed or already having fun fighting.

Pretty Anon says:

It’s funny that lae and Xythar seems so mad at Dark_Sage when obviously he doesn’t know how buttcoins works.

duplex says:

It’s more that—because of his ignorance, unusual cognitive processes, and raging hate-boner for Commie—he’s trying to spread the idea that we’re trying rip people off, which is pretty harmful.

On the other hand, no one that matters thinks anything he says has any merit anymore, so it is a bit dumb to get the least bit emotional over it.

Dark_Sage says:

Because you are. You’re taking money from people with a “hey we’re giving you free anime so why not reciprocate with your wallet?” pitch.

I’d have a problem with that if you were actually fansubbers, but you guys release what are essentially straight rips and act like you’ve actually done anything worthwhile, which makes it worse. You are a cancer.

As for your last little comment, who are these “people that matter” who hate me? Give me a list. I’d love to keep track of who’s the most butthurt.

fnord says:

>> Because you are. You’re taking money from people with a “hey we’re giving you free anime so why not reciprocate with your wallet?” pitch.

People have tried to explain to you multiple times that this is not how mining pools work, and you’ve elected to ignore them because it doesn’t fit your world view.

Dark_Sage says:

Hey fnord, I thought you were boycotting me. Welcome back.

Why don’t you explain to me why a pool fee is a 100% unprofitable requirement to mine. I’d love to hear your explanation.

Xythar says:

Uh, if the costs of maintaining the pool exceed the fees charged, the pool is not profitable.

This seems fairly basic to me.

Dark_Sage says:

And I’m sure when the revenue exceeds the costs (of a dedicated server, I’m sure), lae will drop the fees accordingly. Right? That surely ain’t gonna be pocketed cuz that’d make you wrong and me right, and you certainly can’t let that happen again or you may be embarrassed into another self-imposed exile.

Xythar says:

Your usage of “when” is dazzlingly optimistic, but one would assume so, since that’s what “not for profit” means.

duplex says:

>And I’m sure when the revenue exceeds the costs (of a dedicated server, I’m sure), lae will drop the fees accordingly. Right?
Not necessarily. He can use the surplus revenue (which, by the way, doesn’t actually come from anyone) to further improve the service. This is how NPOs work.

Thinking he’s going to pocket the excess is pure conspiracy theory.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh this is an NPO now? Yeah, I guess any excess could go toward his wages. That seems totally legit.

My bad, everyone. Commie’s actually doing the world a favor here.

lae says:

Unlikely. If the pool ever generated enough traffic for the “fees” to accumulate to the costs of the server, I would likely need to move to AWS or add in several servers and one or two load balancers to the mix. Instead of doing that, I’d probably end up having to put up an announcement requesting miners to move to the non-English supported 2ch pool, shut down the pool and manually send payouts to everyone.

And if you’re wondering exactly how much that would cost – a really simple multi-AZ production setup on AWS using 2 c3.xlarge EC2 instances, 1 multi-AZ db.m2.xlarge RDS instance and one elastic load balancer would end up costing about 1300USD a month.

No fucking way is a 1% pool fee going to cover that, dude, and unless I’m backed by an investor I’m definitely not going to spend that much out of my pocket to keep the pool up and functional. I brought up the pool as an experiment at being a pool admin for a coin I’m interested in and so far it’s going well. 1 is the default configuration fee in global.inc.php, and since I’m running git HEAD I’d rather leave it unmodified than commit a change, if only to reduce the chance of a configuration conflict in the future.

Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who believes in bullshit a level 1 helpdesk tech has to spout on how “MyISAM is safer and better than InnoDB” to understand.

Unless you somehow can see into the future and think Monacoin is going to be the next Bitcoin, your interpretation of profit is awfully skewed. At the current rate, monacoin generation is nowhere near the circumstances necessary for them to become “scarce” and thus increase in valuation.

Please, do go on. I would love to have your foresight, Daaku_Seiji-sempai.

duplex says:

>I brought up the pool as an experiment at being a pool admin…
Nuh-uh, bro. You’re obviously just trying to rip off poor leechers!

Fuwaa says:

You used a lot of numbers, but I don’t see anything that shows running this pool as unprofitable in the post. I’ll take your words at face value but what are your current costs and what kind of income can you see per person assuming they have normal computers and usage (i.e. not botnets), over a given period of time?

Those kind of figures would be needed to convince someone who doesn’t know the ins and outs of coin mining. You can start with: How much does a monacoin miner make in a day?

Xythar says:

However much they put in? You might as well ask “How long is a piece of string?”

duplex says:

See here.

Fuwaa says:

I’m trying to ask more “how much did this string cost to make per meter and how much do you expect to sell it for?” but you are free to misinterpret however you like, I guess.

lae says:

For the servers I currently run, I’m spending about ~200USD a month. The pool is definitely not the primary target of traffic on my servers, though; what I’m trying to say is that if it did, it’d cause more problems than I’d be willing to take on, despite it being the closest thing to generating any sort of revenue for me. Everything else I run – Commiepad, Showtimes/Wagnaria, analytics, and several other services I do not want to mention because they are unrelated to Commie – do not. Time and time again I do advertise things (like Santa Company) but that doesn’t generate any revenue.

I currently run a desktop with a GTX 670 that pushes on average 322KH/s for scrypt coins (the type of coin the monacoin altcoin is). When I first started mining MONA when the network difficulty was around ~5, it took about 3 days to generate 250 MONA, so let’s say about 85 MONA per day. Using monatr.jp’s and BitPay’s current exchange rate for exchanging MONA->BTC->JPY, 1 MONA is equivalent to about 4.31JPY. That’s about 366JPY per day, or about 3.5USD.

People with ATI cards will have better luck, though, since ATI cards have higher hashrates for scrypt coins. Someone on the Commie blog commented that they made 150 MONA in one day at 1MH/s (and this is more recent than my example above, with a higher difficulty closer to what the current difficulty is), which returns about 646JPY, or ~6USD.

Of course, you have to bring electricity costs into the equation – though where I live, electricity for the wattage my card incurs is less than 20USD/mo, so net gain isn’t negative. It’s tougher for people who can mine with only a CPU or a weaker GPU, though.

Keeping in mind that the cryptocurrency market is volatile as fuck, these numbers are practically only accurate for today. The MONA->BTC->JPY rate not too long ago was at 1 MONA:7 JPY.

lae says:

AND LET’S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE FEES, SHALL WE

http://milk.tea.jp/i/BDcHZg.png
Currently, I’ve earned ~730 MONA since I started mining in my pool, and out of that, half a MONA was taken as a fee. That’s 2 fucking yen out of 3k yen.

lae says:

Apparently these two responses are too logical to deserve a response to.

Dark_Sage says:

Under the assumption this doesn’t end up profit-generating for you in any fashion, then great. I’d be happy to be wrong about the kind of person you are. If not, then I’ll be glad I didn’t stay silent about this.

Ultimately, I have no trust in your stated motives. And with all the shit Commie’s pulled in the past (including Xythar’s admittance that you’re just posting game reviews to get games for free), I think you can at least understand my reluctance to trust in you.

Xythar says:

>And with all the shit Commie’s pulled in the past (including Xythar’s admittance that you’re just posting game reviews to get games for free), I think you can at least understand my reluctance to trust in you.

I don’t recall anyone ever claiming otherwise, besides you.

lae says:

It’s going to still be revenue-generating, but revenue != profit.

Xythar says:

Like, you do know what a profit is, right?

fnord says:

I wasn’t boycotting you. I was busy and still am busy playing Kantai Collection. At times the brainless posts you produce can be amusing, but reading them and/or replying to them consumes time which is often better spent more productively (counting ants on the pavement, sleeping, rearranging things in my fridge, etc).

Xythar says:

>You’re taking money from people with a “hey we’re giving you free anime so why not reciprocate with your wallet?” pitch.

That’s not how paying for a service works.

I wouldn’t say “hate”, but there aren’t many fansubbers who take this site seriously anymore, and the vast majority of leechers either don’t know or don’t care. Probably doesn’t help that you review like three shows a season, sometimes as late as two months in when most people have already decided anyway.

Dark_Sage says:

How about a list? You can provide more than just “I don’t like you so I’m sure everyone else hates you too”, right?

Cuz I’m looking at site stats and we’re doing better than ever.

Xythar says:

Why don’t you provide a list of fansubbers who still post here regularly and would care if you criticised them in a review?

I’ll start you off:

Solaristics

Okay, that’s all I got.

Dark_Sage says:

Dat burden of proof shifting. I love it.

(By the way, even if every fansubber boycotted this site, I wouldn’t shut it down or even change a damn thing. What on earth makes you think that’s what Crymore relies on to be successful?)

Xythar says:

I don’t know, what do you rely on to be successful? Self-satisfaction? It’s clearly not content generation or actual influence on people’s viewing habits. Like I said, you’re lucky to complete a fraction of the reviews you set out to write each month, and they inevitably come far too late to be useful to anyone.

Dark_Sage says:

The reviews are just a means to an edutainment end. Why are you so hung up on them? It’s a niche I popularized and dominate, but it’s not like Crymore would die without any. The Aniblog Tourney is more than enough content, right guys?

I don’t wanna get into my metrics for success (it mostly revolves around how mad I make idiots and how hot I get the ladies with my sagey charm), but I’m pretty happy with how it’s going. If you aren’t, I must inform you you’re just going to have to deal with it.

Xythar says:

>it mostly revolves around how mad I make idiots

I figured it was this for a while, but nice to hear you confirm it, I guess.

That’s all I needed to know.

Dark_Sage says:

You’ve got some sweet reading comprehension skills there, don’t you, Xythar?

Xythar says:

I learned from the very best.

FalseDawn says:

I post here, though I don’t give a rat’s ass about his opinion, so it wouldn’t bother me if he criticised me (because he’d be wrong, of course :D).

Does that count?

Xythar says:

I think most fansubbers still here fall into that category.

FalseDawn says:

So what’s your point exactly? What that says to me is that the remaining crowd is immune to trolling and still garners enjoyment/knowledge/whatever from sitting around in, what is essentially, a community of editors.

Has D_S unfairly made pariahs of certain posters on here, like yourself, Nevreen and seemingly the whole of Commie? Well, yes, but it’s his site, and frankly, his voice above the parapet is no different to any other voice in the crowd – it’s just that his site gets quite a lot of traffic. And good luck to him.

But even with a high hit counts, I seriously doubt D_S’s ability to dissuade anyone from visiting/leeching from Commie, or anywhere else for that matter. Your problem, unfortunately, is that he keeps leaving the bait for you and you and assorted commie members keep snapping it up (much to his glee because it makes it look like this blog actually has activity :P)

And I don’t think anyone took this site seriously to begin with. I mean, what retard would *review* fansubs? That’s almost as mad as producing subs in the first place.

lae says:

>he keeps leaving the bait for you and you and assorted commie members keep snapping it up
It couldn’t possibly be the other way around!

Speaking of hit counts, something must be really wrong when Wolfram-Alpha shows this: http://milk.tea.jp/i/8C50Xz.png

Dark_Sage says:

1200? Hahahahahahahaha. Oh god, that’s so far off it’s ridiculous.

No, we’re nowhere near your range, lae.

Xythar says:

>But even with a high hit counts, I seriously doubt D_S’s ability to dissuade anyone from visiting/leeching from Commie, or anywhere else for that matter.

Of course not. I stopped worrying about that over a year ago.

I’ve just been posting on this article because I’m killing time at work and enjoy arguing on the Internet. If it were possible for me to be doing something more productive right now, believe me, I would be.

I’m also not very invested in Commie anymore (I formed my own group a year ago so the most I do at Commie is edit the occasional show, and I don’t really care about projects outside of my own) so it doesn’t really bother me what people say about the group. I just get annoyed by ignorance and terrible arguments, which this site tends to have in spades.

Fuwaa says:

>(based on Alexa estimates)

Maybe that’s what’s wrong?

http://www.realsceptic.com/2013/08/12/why-you-shouldnt-use-alexa-traffic-statistics/

lae says:

I never said they were completely accurate. My point is that something’s wrong when my domain is on an equivalent plane with regards to traffic when it’s just my personal site.

And if we’re going to argue about reliability, you should know that not everyone can be tracked, especially as privacy becomes more of a concern for Internet users as the days go by. Just how many people do you think are using Adblock, Ghostory/Disconnect.me, NoScript and friends?e

lae says:

so yes, the response with that image was completely superficial

lae says:

it was a joke, nigga

Jark says:

Are you black, by any chance?

lae says:

nope
Sounds like a muslim
(though I’m actually not ^ either)

lae says:

Prepend a <Solaristics> on the muslim line and you’ll get what was gobbled up.

Solaristics says:

It was “Sounds like a Muslim name”, but thanks for trying anyway. Also, your take on racism is pretty bad. Seeing as how you thought it was racist before.

lae says:

You may want to double check your logs.

Solaristics says:

Did.

[21:13] Sounds like a muslim
[21:13] are you for real
[21:14] name*

In which I corrected myself later on because I left the sentence unfinished. Though, I should’ve expected such since the great duplex went all quiet afterwards! The motto of Commie: “WE SHALL ONLY COPY AND PASTE SOME OF THE COMMENTS”.

You may want to triple check xxx logs.

duplex says:

Okay, I’ll post a more complete excerpt, then.

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n2ycx5Gb

Your “correction” doesn’t change the fact that your comment is discriminatory.

Solaristics says:

Oh please. If that in any means sounds like I’m being discriminatory, then you have another thing coming for you. In no way does “Sounds like a Muslim name” mean it’s discriminatory, because in fact, the name does sound like it. If I wanted to be discriminatory I would’ve said something worse, which I wouldn’t have. Get that shit out of your ass, duplex.

Solaristics says:

Though, I couldn’t care less if you think it is. Your opinion means jackshit to me, next to lae’s.

duplex says:

I’m curious as to how having a “Muslim name” is relevant to a conversation insulting someone except to implicate negative things about the person.

duplex says:

Especially when said conversation devolves into what seems to be a joke implying that lae is an Islamic terrorist.

Solaristics says:

>I’m curious as to how having a “Muslim name” is relevant to a conversation insulting someone except to implicate negative things about the person.

I’m also curious what race the person is when the name I see doesn’t sound American, etc. Is it that hard, or you going to consider this “racism” too?

>Especially when said conversation devolves into what seems to be a joke implying that lae is an Islamic terrorist.

What? I’ve never even had that thought cross my mind. You’re mentally retarded if you think what I said comes off as devolving into a joke implying that he’s a terrorist. Duplex, get yourself checked out, and when you do, come back, ‘kay?

duplex says:

>I’m also curious what race the person is when the name I see doesn’t sound American, etc.
American isn’t a language. Neither is Muslim. They don’t have anything to do with race, either.

>You’re mentally retarded if you think what I said comes off as devolving into a joke implying that he’s a terrorist.
That’s why I said conversation, which did eventually devolve to the point where D_S made a joke about lae “blowing him up” shortly after you made your asinine comment.

Anon says:

What? They never said American was a language. It’s no different than saying “that name doesn’t sound British.”

Solaristics says:

>That’s why I said conversation, which did eventually devolve to the point where D_S made a joke about lae “blowing him up” shortly after you made your asinine comment.

Again, making yourself look stupid. Let’s see… You think I’m being racist/discriminating because I said “Sounds like a Muslim name.” And now you bring up what D_S said, which I never even saw in the first place.

>American isn’t a language. Neither is Muslim. They don’t have anything to do with race, either.

WELL, NO SHIT. It’s like saying “That name doesn’t sound German, etc.” Holy fuck, Duplex. Please… I think the Anon guy said it for me already.

Dark_Sage says:

I don’t see the problem you have with my comments, duplex. Literally every Muslim ever is a suicide bomber. All 2 billion-some. I wasn’t joking; I was stating objective fact.

Xythar says:

Your taste in jokes aside, assuming someone is Muslim (and thus “an asshole”) from their name is also pretty poor. I think that chatlog is what finally convinced me that you are a genuinely reprehensible person instead of just a guy who likes to act edgy on the Internet.

In all honesty, I regret ever being friendly with you.

Dark_Sage says:

My god. I’ve… I’ve seen the light.

Everyone, I didn’t realize that offensive remarks could be so offensive. I’m deeply ashamed of myself and must request forgiveness from everyone I’ve ever wounded with this, the only mean thing I’ve ever said. As a means of atonement, Crymore will take care of all medical expenses related to butt-salving cream for those affected. I realize this may bankrupt Crymore, due to the vast number of people wounded by my cruel remarks, but it’s the right thing to do.

I humbly apologize. Let me know if there is anything I can do to heal the wound in your heart that I have caused with my – and I hesitate to use such a harsh term – baka comment. I will do everything I can to make it up to those I have harmed.

duplex says:

>They never said American was a language.
The point is that names do not have any property, like language, that would make them “sound American”.

>It’s no different than saying “that name doesn’t sound British.”
Of course not, because that’s just as dumb.

>You think I’m being racist/discriminating because I said “Sounds like a Muslim name.”
In the context of a conversation where the person in question is being disparaged (including terrorist jokes), most people would believe so.

>It’s like saying “That name doesn’t sound German, etc.”
See first quote.

Solaristics says:

>In the context of a conversation where the person in question is being disparaged (including terrorist jokes), most people would believe so.

Lol. W/e, I think I’ve wasted enough time and proven my point already that I wasn’t aiming towards being “Discriminate and racist.”

lae says:

Hey, at the end of the day, I’m just glad Solaristics didn’t edit the one good show from Anime-Koi.

Solaristics says:

Am I supposed to be offended? Also, none of the shows are even good. Though, I could make the same comments toward a lot of Commie editors, but I’ll pass on that since it’s already shown in quite a few reviews on this site.

lae says:

Yes, you’re supposed to be offended. Do you even have to ask?

Solaristics says:

Sorry to burst your bubble then :[.

lae says:

Oh and, just to clarify, it’s a french word as well not my legal name. I’ve never heard of anyone actually having that name. I’m also not Muslim.

Solaristics says:

Pretty sure that’s already obvious as you stated it above before.

Pretty Anon says:

>Because you are. You’re taking money from people with a “hey we’re giving you free anime so why not reciprocate with your wallet?” pitch.

C’mon Bitter_Sage, I know that you’re a fucking faggot but don’t act like a bitch.

Commie is never(or forced) paid by the users. The user itself give money to commie by donations or joining the pool.

>I’d have a problem with that if you were actually fansubbers, but you guys release what are essentially straight rips and act like you’ve actually done anything worthwhile, which makes it worse. You are a cancer.
>You are a cancer.

Look who’s talking. HAHAHAHA.

Dark_Sage says:

Rude. :/

duplex says:

We don’t even get money from the pool. It goes to lae, who uses it to keep the pool running. Also, the amount the pool makes isn’t proportional to the number of people using it since it doesn’t actually come from anyone.

Hdr says:

D_S it wasn’t mentioned at all. but what is your opinion on the planes in the preview? just curious.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh, were those yours? Thought it was part of the show. Good job on that.

Solaristics says:

I personally thought that was part of the show.

csb says:

am i the only one who missed stuff like this?

Nobody says:

Are we still arguing?

pengu says:

This bores me.
You didn’t put up a poll on tuesday, I cried.

Dark_Sage says:

Yeah, I’m getting bored too. Let me get some shit done.

anon says:

>Nyaa mods trying to destroy small groups on Nyaa by refusing trusted status and removing some that already had trusted.
>Commie actually trying to trick people into giving them money.
Fuck I take a 4 month break from anime and this is what I come back to?

lae says:

I see your reading comprehension is ever so stellar.

anon says:

Are you also part of the commie crew? I don’t remember you. Are you new?

lae says:

No, I’m not part of the commie crew.

puddi says:

コミークルー

Hairy says:

Not only does Nyaa refuse to give trusted status to smaller groups, they also give A+ status to shitty minimalistic CR edits like this.

Xythar says:

Please point me to a better release for this show.

And no, a couple of edits you disagree with does not make HS better.

Hairy says:

So the rule is that as long as you produce something better than the original simulcast script and no other group is doing it, you will definitely get A+ status? And this applies to all groups, does it?

Xythar says:

It applies to any group I or the other staff trust to not make the original significantly worse. We generally only review shows from around episode 2-4 (A+ decisions made after that are pretty pointless except as vanity), so if you’d like a group to be considered next season, flag one of their releases at around that point and I’ll take a look at it.

Hairy says:

Of course, Commie releases don’t have to be marked for review, do they? They just get slapped with with A+ status as soon as they’re released.

>It applies to any group I or the other staff trust to not make the original significantly worse.

And this comes back to you attempting to destroy or hold back smaller groups. I bet there are certain groups that you never bother to look at for A+ status. Because you’ve never heard of them, or they’ve produced poor stuff in the past, you just ignore them, rather than judge them on a release-by-release basis.

I’m sure there are plenty of other groups who have edited simulcast scripts and provided the sole release for a show, but you’ve never bothered to consider them for A+ (or in some cases, even elevate those groups to trusted), whilst you automatically mark the same sorts of releases as A+ for Commie or any of the other bigger groups that are connected to Nyaa.

Just another example of what a biased circlejerk Nyaa is.

Xythar says:

Commie usually gets reviewed because I watch a lot of their stuff anyway. Unfortunately, I am just one person and a lot of releases come out every season. It isn’t feasible for me to download and watch every single one.

If you guys aren’t willing to spend five minutes of your time marking the releases you think are worthy, I don’t see why I should have to spend hours of mine watching every single one that comes in. You have only yourselves to blame.

Insulting me is a great way to get me to do things for you, by the way, so keep it up!

Hairy says:

>Insulting me is a great way to get me to do things for you, by the way, so keep it up!

The only thing I want you to do for me is to judge releases fairly… which I would think would be a given.

Do you also not give groups A+ status if you have a personal grudge against either the members of a group or the person who requested a release be reviewed for A+ designation? I don’t think that’s very fair at all.

Xythar says:

>Do you also not give groups A+ status if you have a personal grudge against either the members of a group or the person who requested a release be reviewed for A+ designation? I don’t think that’s very fair at all.

No, not really? I’ve supported A+ ratings for a number of groups I don’t particularly like.

If you want a group reviewed for A+, flag it.

Nerv says:

Haha. You’re funny, Xythar. I already flagged small groups for releasing Wake Up, Girls and Nobunagun. But they still haven’t got A+.
Why? Cuz that cartoons is sucks? Cuz you didn’t know them? Cuz their works is shit?
Commie’s editing is also shit, btw.

Xythar says:

Which groups? They’re not flagged now, so I assume someone else already reviewed them.

Though I’m not sure why I’m even bothering to answer you seriously.

Hairy says:

>If you want a group reviewed for A+, flag it.
>If you guys aren’t willing to spend five minutes of your time marking the releases you think are worthy, I don’t see why I should have to spend hours of mine watching every single one that comes in. You have only yourselves to blame.
>so if you’d like a group to be considered next season, flag one of their releases at around that point and I’ll take a look at it.

So from these comments, it’s pretty clear that you want people to mark releases for A+ consideration if they want them to be given it, right? Because that’s the only way you’ll consider them.

Then how come Herkz is telling people not to mark airing shows for A+ consideration? Why is he saying Nyaa will review every release regardless? Has Nyaa changed its policies, or were you lying? Are you indeed reviewing every group’s releases for every show, Xythar?

Dark_Sage says:

HS is faster and has a readable font. The choice is obvious. Well, maybe not to someone who thinks edits of this quality deserve an A+ designation, but to anyone literate the decision isn’t hard to make.

Xythar says:

Speed is generally not considered except as a tiebreaker.
Commie’s font is perfectly readable and I’ve had no major complaints with their script over the nine episodes I’ve watched. They also have songs and typesetting, which HS lacks, and improved timing and formatting (CR still use shitty line splits in basically everything they sub).

Easy choice.

Solaristics says:

In that regard, what do you mean by “shitty line splits”? Do you mean where they break a full line and then make two separate timings for it?

Xythar says:

Yes, especially since they
always manage to pick the
worst possible place for it

Solaristics says:

Thought as much. They do it for every show and it’s pretty annoying, which is why I never watch a CR release(try not to at least).

Xythar says:

Yeah, same here. The last show I tried to watch HS for was Little Busters Refrain, and I got fed up within two or three episodes and decided to just wait a week for FFF for the rest of the season.

anon says:

>Commie’s font is perfectly readable
So is HS
>I’ve had no major complaints with their script
Of course not it’s just CR-honorifics for every show they/you edit.
>They also have songs
fucking weeaboos
>and typesetting
Ok so 1 point for Commie
>improved timing and formatting
If by improved timing you mean making it almost impossible to read without pausing you’re right
>(CR still use shitty line splits in basically everything they sub).
Making their subs easier to read.

So Commie got typesetting and song translations. HS is faster, don’t use awful fonts just to troll you and their subs are easier to read.

Xythar says:

It’s clear you haven’t even compared releases for this show, so I hope you’ll understand why I’m ignoring your opinion.

anon says:

>I hope you’ll understand why I’m ignoring your opinion.
I’m used to people from Commie just ignoring any kind of criticism so it’s ok Xythar whatever makes your life easier.
Actually I have to ask are you still part of Commie? And by commie I mean actual Commie and not Commie 2.0(Vivid).

Xythar says:

I edit shows for them every now and then, so yes. I don’t take an active role in running the group or managing projects that I’m not involved with, though.

Solaristics says:

>So is HS
HS font is pretty shit too.
>They have songs
People like having songs. Liking them doesn’t make you a “weeaboo”
>Making their subs easier to read
No. Line splits are fucking terrible most of the time. There are some good line splits and a lot of bad ones from CR.

Hunta says:

>Commie’s font is perfectly readable
So is comic sans. Also the color choices are shit, the lyric positiong is shit, the title is laid out like shit, and the script reads like shit.

Xythar says:

Well, I’ll defer to you on this one, because after your Yozakura Quartet release, it’s clear that you’re the expert on shit here.

Hunta says:

If I ever positioned my YZQ release as anything other than an emergency edit of a vaguely coherent script in emergency sub mode while Cthuko got their shit together, your argument would be halfway valid.

Except, unfortunately for you, I never did that. So hey.

(Also D-frag is 400 lines an episode, not 500 as you keep trying to tell people. <3)

Xythar says:

Oh no, my dreadful linecount lies exposed!

But goodness me, you seem to have misinterpreted my comment as a mere ad hominem. It certainly isn’t. You see, normally if someone made a comment calling every aspect of a release “shit” with no elaboration, I would call them out for making a worthless argument that really serves no purpose other than to take up space on the Internet, much as they themselves really serve no purpose other than to use up of our Earth’s valuable oxygen and water supply.

But that is clearly not the case here, because based on every single aspect of that release you chose to put out to the public for people to download, it is very clear that you know exactly what “shit” looks like.

Hunta says:

Eh, see, you seem to be taking a subjective thing (an opinion) and trying to make it objective.

That really doesn’t work.

Subjectivity incoming:

I don’t like brown fonts, the color is ugly, doesn’t really match -anything- in the show. The font itself, whatever, I’ve seen worse, I’ve seen better.

The opening song style, the color is fine, but the font is wonky, somewhat difficult to read, the whole thing seems a bit arbitrary.

The title scroll, Hm, thanks for taking up half the goddamn screen with your typeset. Sasuga typesetter. (It’s a good effort, just doesn’t fit very well.)

Script: Well, if what DS pointed out is any indication, then there are more problems with the script than with the EP1 script I looked at. Didn’t feel (to me) that individual characters were conveyed well, overall Ep1 seemed (to me) to be somewhat unnecessarily wordy, but that just may be me being used to CR’s style.

ED: Why change the entire style of the lyrics for not very many lines? IDGI.

Xythar says:

Wow, so “shit” actually means “Eh, it’s okay, but not perfect. I’ve seen worse, I’ve seen better.”

I’m glad I was able to get a subject matter expert like yourself to clarify that for me.

Hunta says:

You know that it’s literally coloured like shit, right? Shit as in fecal matter, not the subjective category.

Come on Xythar, fansubbers call things “shit” that really aren’t that shit. You do it, I do it, we all do it. Except nobody outside of the subber circlejerk actually cares about any of this.

Xythar says:

Please. I’m quite conscious of the language I use and how it affects other people.

Hunta says:

Nah, you’re pretty good at being passive-agressive though.

Xythar says:

http://puu.sh/7mLA3.png

Whatever would we do without you here to expose my deceptive linecount reporting practices to the world?

Hunta says:

Somebody is wrong on the internet! We must prove them wrong immediately!

Xythar says:

“Evidence! My one weakness!”

Hunta says:

It’s not like I don’t have a D-frag script open up in front of me either.

Hunta says:

Dialogue lines haven’t gone over 430, though if you count TS you might have been able to push 500.

Xythar says:

That’s straight from our episode 1 script, which has 29 signs. I’ll let you work out what 545-29 is.

It’s almost like linecount differs depending on the translator and how much they like to split lines and my point was that D-Frag is a consistently dialogue-heavy show any way you slice it. But no, let’s split hairs on pointless details.

Hunta says:

I know, let’s fall for very obvious bait and argue about things that really have no bearing on anything aside from how much you enjoy line splitting!

Xythar says:

Making you look dumb on the internet is free, so I really don’t mind.

Hunta says:

Hey, making you seem like a 12 year old is also free. Actually, I’m up a few cheap laughs, so you could say I’ve actually turned a profit!

Xythar says:

Don’t mention profits here, man. You’ll set him off.

Justinnnnnn says:

>Making you look dumb on the internet is free, so I really don’t mind.

Never change mr Xythar, never change <3

Hunta says:

Oh wait, is this a retort to a perceived “I care about $color status on nya” Because

>$color status on nya
>2014

Yeah, no, try again.

Xythar says:

I wouldn’t dream of it. Truly, you are the coolest kid in middle school.

Hunta says:

Man, devolving to middle school insults are we? Xythar, aren’t you like, 40?

Xythar says:

Not quite, no.

Hunta says:

Mostly to run this shit into the ground, and :justpost:.

Nya is…
– a torrent tracker
– a website
– appears to be decently coded
– Something I enjoy. <3

Status on Nya means…
– absolutely nothing approximately 98% of the time.
– that is, to the viewer it generally means nothing
– to the group it may be a source of pride. But like many things on the internet, this is ephemeral at best.
– tl;dr, epeen.

Nya mods, like mods are wont to…
– circlejerk.
– Not that this is a bad thing.
– I mean seriously, if you tell me you don't circlejerk you're a big fat liar.
– SA mods circlejerk.
– Crymore (DS and whoever else posts here) circlejerks.
– This is what people do, this is fairly normal. Don't be ashamed.

Anybody who actually cares about status on nya…
– is a fansubber.
– is the nya mods.
– actively cares about fansubbing.

Fansubbing is…
– dead.
– In the traditional sense, it really is. Fan-produced subs of *unlicensed* shows don't really happen all that much anymore. I think there's only one group doing that this season, and it's motherfucking DoReMi.

Xythar says:

I’m glad you cleared that up for us. Normally people make their own blogs to rant about pointless things on, but your new blog-in-blog technology is revolutionary.

Hunta says:

Don’t you know man? Never stop posting!
You seem pretty mad about this for some reason.

Xythar says:

You kidding? I’m enjoying myself immensely.

Hunta says:

So am I. :3 Glad we share that.

anon says:

Removing honorifics is not editing.

Xythar says:

The CR script for this show has no honorifics to begin with.

But I guess expecting people to bring an informed opinion to the discussion instead of biased knee-jerking is too much to hope for.

Hairy says:

Wow, so the editor did even less work than expected. Amazing.

anon says:

It’s kinda obvious we’re talking about CR editing in general and not just about this show.

Xythar says:

I really don’t care how much the original script was changed in a release. I’m only concerned with the end product.

Some scripts need less editing than others, and some editors edit less than others. It’s entirely their preference.

animegio says:

“Not only does Nyaa refuse to give trusted status to smaller groups”

He does/they do.

jdp says:

seiji, maybe you should stick to talking about stuff you actually know, like anime cons and getting drunk in bars.

Kamica says:

We’re 50 comments away from reaching the record for the “most commented article on Crymore”!

Dark_Sage says:

Don’t get your hopes up. I’ll close the comments before it gets there.

Dark_Sage says:

Actually, fuck it. Break the record guys. We’ll just smash it with a better thread later on.

I received a bit of inspiration tonight. Let’s get the blood flowing.

Ryuk says:

Enough motivation to review?!

Dark_Sage says:

Yes

hunta says:

Sasuga D_S

D2K says:

Yay! Just six more~

Hdr says:

contributing for the greater good.

Xythar says:

do it

for the pleins

Hdr says:

do it for N I N A  V I E N T O

Fujiri says:

do it for Arise Intro

Justinnnnnn says:

do it for Hyobu where

Ash says:

HE’S A BUTTERFLY, A HERMAPHRODITE AND HE FUCKS HIMSELF AS HE FUCKS THE WOOOOOOOORLD!!!

Dium says:

solving world hunger one step at a time

elenrod says:

Is it broken already?

Nerv says:

400 comments for you, guys.

Hunta says:

I’mmah stop being mean to Xythar now, he’s just too much of a QT. :3

Solaristics says:

All I see is Hunta. I’m gonna gouge my eyeballs out. Please get an avatar so I don’t have to look at a grey blob :<.

Justinnnnnn says:

All I see here is Hunta trying to win at least one argument against Xythar, only to be repeatedly slapped in the face.

Dium says:

The mighty keyboard warrior, Hunta!

hunta says:

I would get an avatar, but so far I’m too lazy/can’t see where to do it.
>win an argument on the internet
Justinn, you’re new here aren’t you?

Justinnnnnn says:

I think my posts here go back two years ago, dunno if that makes me new or not for you.

Anon says:

You get a Gravatar account and use the email for that as the email here.

hunta says:

Thanks anon, you always deliver.

D2K says:

03.09.15~

Humanity says:

Well this post should fill the drama quota for the next month or so.

kainkaze says:

Holy crap. I just read all that.

I kind of feel proud and regretful at the same time…

Anon says:

First of all, I’m so sorry for you. Second, what in the hell were you thinking?

Justinnnnnn says:

I saw this had 404 comments and felt compelled to ask…

Tears not found?
Hyobu not found?
Life not found?
Reviews not found?
Commie ppl not found?
Fucks not found?
Joke not found?

Choose whichever makes you feel better!

SkyDewa says:

This is why I love Crymore. Thanks Seiji-kun <3

Some Dude says:

I literally sat down and read all the posts in this article. I also feel proud but also know I won’t be getting that hour of my life back.

Fuwaa says:

Blame Dark Sage for not making any new posts you could have wasted your time reading!

Nythius says:

B-But this is High Quality Content. All the drama, I mean.

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