You all sure like your old subs…

You all sure like your old subs…

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Fine. I’ll do a *few* oldsub reviews. Post in the comments a couple groups you fondly remember and I’ll smack those nostalgia goggles right off your face.

I ain’t playing around.


Before you begin, yes, Eclipse is getting reviewed. People will not shut up about how fucking great they are and I’m getting a little tired of it.

117 thoughts on “You all sure like your old subs…”

  1. Ayako. Because rage reviews are the best reviews.
    Other than that… ANBU, Lunar, Triad, Frostii (as well as its parents, Froth-Bite and Ureshii) sound like good candidates.

  2. Others have already mentioned my top picks, so I’ll also mention Yesy (too recent?), II, Ayu, Ishin, and a4e.

    And oh boy those a.f.k. reviews are gonna be a riot.

      • I was serious about Aasasubs too, if only in that “see, it IS possible to be a worse sub group than Hadena” way. Scorching reviews are fun reviews.

  3. I’m glad you’re taking the time to go back and review older subs.

    Sometimes the best masturbation material are those good ‘ol vintage works.

    • Seconding this. I remember their NEEDLESS being like the one really amazing thing they ever did. Would be interesting to see what you think of it.

      • That’s because Estaron was practically running it as a Himatsubishi project (which was an independent Ayako offshoot), and since he was Ayako’s only TL that knew English, it was better than you’d expect. Not really sure why Needless is getting any more love than anything else Himatsubishi did though (I was in Himatsubishi around this time, but I was a mediocre editor so I can’t say the subs would have been amazing; hell, I even edited Needless’s 01… wonder if I have logs or scripts around here…).

          • The only “good” thing about Himatsubishi was that Estaron understood the value of natural sounding subs… as in, he liked to use lots of expletives and crazy-cool sentences. An Ayako offshoot is still an Ayako offshoot, and I don’t recall being in the group for very long. (Not that my presence would have changed anything. For 1-2 years of editing I was *shit*)

  4. So… Are you gonna be reviewin’ groups or releases…? ‘Cause if it’s the latter, I guess it’d be far better if you did direct comparisons instead of singular reviews.

    • Releases. What do you mean by comparisons? Like group vs. group for a show? That’s more beneficial for when you want to find out who did the best release for a show rather than how a group performed by a standard metric. I don’t think people really need to know which group had the best subs for Cowboy Bebop.

  5. Eclipse were good for their time. They brought order and decent subs to a fansubbing scene that had no idea what it was doing.

    By today’s standards, not so much.

  6. Eclipse is overrated as sin. Butthurt tards thought that the group’s releases wee fabulous because this group generally picked shows with significant amounts of hype behind them, so all the leechers orgasmed in unison.

    • Do their Mai-HiME. You will want to wash your eyes out. They had fantastic poetic translations, but their QC was seriously slacking.

  7. I just got an idea.
    How about you review your oldest Whine-subs anime?
    It might turn out interesting, as you’re probably much more *pro* now than you were in the beginning (I think) :P

  8. You should do both DB’s and Ureshii’s Dennou Coil. Or just watch Dennou Coil.

    You should stream Dennou Coil on your blog or at least host a viewing party on IRC we could marathon the series.

    Dennou Coil.

  9. I don’t so much want reviews of oldsubs as I do reviews of releases from just before you started reviewing. Like stuff you would have had to check ji-hi for but can’t now because they’re gone. So shows from Winter 2011 or earlier that had multiple potentially good releases. A few Angel Beats! ones, for example, would be appreciated. Or maybe K-ON! (either season), Toradora or Bakemonogatari. And you should be able to defermine which groups to look at for those.

  10. Darn… Typo… FroZen-Evil (the joint between Frostii, Saizen and Live-Evil)… is what I ment. If I’m not wrong, these 3 groups are some of the oldest groups still releasing, and they’re doing a 3 way joint, so why not?

  11. Also, please review Shinsen-Subs Ghost Hound. I wanna know if they were such the “Shitsen-subs” group they were rumored for being.

    • I second for Shinsen – for years I actually steered well clear of Shinsen because of their variable quality (though as it happens, they did have some of the best editors of the time).

      Some groups to add to the list not already mentioned: Solar, The Triad, Live-Evil (I remember them having some very good tls back in the day)… and for real kicks, you could do Proto-gg – something like Pani Poni Dash or whatever if you’re feeling masochistic ^___^

  12. ugh D_S please stop complaining like a little girl, i for one don’t take your reviews seriously, also if it happened and you conclude that eclipse is bad then you would be the biggest idiot in the history of anime reviewers… cheers

    • Eclipse fanboy detected >.>

      Some of the Eclipse subs were very poorly-edited. I remember one in particular where the font was resized for one line and one line only so that it didn’t become a three-liner. Much mirth was had at that one :D

      • I QC’d for Static for over 2 years, most of it with an Eclipse editor (because Static’s editor went MIA a few months after I joined). I should dig up some old “edited” scripts I was handed.

      • eclipse fanboy?? yea right lmao … i’ve only used them for few series.. but their quality is great and i give them that.. im just being fair here …

        • hadena had a passable release once lol … maybe it was only once..but it was fine …i hate how D_S always complains about them, the release was fine, which is why i don’t listen to his reviews, i can tell good english by myself anyway rofl… he really is a big idiot …

        • Oh boy, you’re gonna love D_S’s review then. Might be worth taking off the rose-tinted spectacles now.

          As has been said before, Eclipse did become the template for most fansub groups (let’s not forget that they were the first speedsub group to actually be any good, rather than unwatchable, which is why they became so popular, no doubt) but judging them purely on their editing etc, even against their contemporaries, they fell way short.

          Which I always found rather strange, because the same editor edited for Lunar (and I think Eclipse’s tl was a Lunar one too) and Lunar’s editing was way better than what Eclipse put out.

          Speaking of which, I’d be interested in D_S checking out a Lunar Bleach episode, because I seem to remember there being uproar at the time with Deidryt’s use of ebonics – he may even have pioneered it? I’m struggling to think of an earlier example for characterisation in fansubs.

          • tbh i dont really trust other people’s reviews and opinions… they are always biased.. thats why i download every group available for an anime that i want to watch and then compare them myself… and one of the leading sub groups this year i found to be UTW their quality is top notch….

              • @Xythar ugh you don’t really know me, so please refrain from stupid comments… and i have watched more animes than you will ever watch in your whole life, so i believe i know which quality is good and which is not…

                @Dark_Sage ok now mate, i have no obligation to tell you what standards i usually go with, and i’m not stupid enough to settle for other people’s opinion and choose the group they rate the best.. now there you have it.. sorry but i had to break your bubble and tell you that other peoples also have opinions and not just you…
                well then cheers…

                  • You must have been quite flustered to learn that someone had watched more anime than you. One can immediately tell what benefits and credibility such a feat granted him.

                • I agree, you’re not stupid. In fact, you’re so not stupid, unstupid is the only word I could use to describe you.

                  Tell ya what man, I’ll give you an author account. Why don’t you make a post explaining your methodology so that others on the site can be more informed? Please provide examples in the post of the great choices you’ve made.

                  • “I agree, you’re not stupid. In fact, you’re so not stupid, unstupid is the only word I could use to describe you.”

                    oh shit we’ve got a smartass here… wow seriously im so moved right now, i have yet to meet someone as “intelligent” as you sir…

                    “Tell ya what man, I’ll give you an author account. Why don’t you make a post explaining your methodology so that others on the site can be more informed? Please provide examples in the post of the great choices you’ve made.”

                    lmao you can search me all day for a fuck to give and you wouldn’t find any, u really think i would waste my precious time on you fags… i couldn’t care less about arrogant cunts such as yourself and their opinion… oh and you can shove that “author account” up your ass…

                    @the other lackeys that i couldn’t care enough to mention their names, its really hard to be sucka-free in a world full of lollipops, now isn’t it?

  13. CentralAnime? They did Macross 7, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, & Touch, though I thought it was more than was on their webpage. Maybe that was LunarAnime…

  14. Can you review NP-Complete’s Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei (Tatami Galaxy)? I watched J-pwq’s releases, and am wondering if NP-Complete’s releases would be better for archiving purposes.

  15. Do a.f.k.’s SZS, Lucky Star, and Haruhi.

    And maybe The Triad vs Ayu’s Higurashi, Shinsen-Subs’ Mononoke, BSS’s Moayshimon, Dattebayo’s Naruto, and Keroro vs Doremi’s Keroro Gunso

    These are the groups I remember watching years ago. I also want to know if Shinsen was shitty as rumored.

    And speaking of The Triad, I think someone is turning their hardsubbed releases and softsubbing them on the DVD or BD release of that show.

    • Why Koi’s? I’d be interested in a Lunar vs The Triad on Air because I actually thought Lunar beat Triad hands down on it at the time. Might just be the nostalgia glasses though.

  16. First off, I guess I’m an “oldish” school former fansubber.

    I am biased as I worked with Ayu and Eclipse mostly (Some stints with Static-Subs and Live-eviL (typesetter/sfx/encoder)

    I’d be interested in seeing a review of ZX’s sub of Starship Operators. This was essentially the first sub Eclipse did (before we created and named our group) but this had all the core members.

    Ayu/Sora’s Kurau: Phantom Memory would also be cool as this show was a labor of love for me personally along with jonny-mt (One of Ayu’s translators)

    Lets throw in some Yuri as well as I did 2 seasons of Maria-sama no Miteru.

    These subs should be old enough :)


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