Fansub Review: [Kaylith] Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso (Episode 03)

A-Tier, Fansub Review — By on October 30, 2014 12:46 am

This post was written by Dark_Sage. He is Dark_Sage.

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Watching Shigatsu is painful, because it reminds me that I never got to have sex with an anime girl named Kawori in high school.

Table of Contents

Release Information

Visual Quality

Script Quality

Results

 

Release Information

Episode details.

Release format: MKV (282 MB, 10-bit), LQ MP4 (140 MB)

Japanesiness: Non-honorifics by default, honorifics on the second track.

English style: American English.

Encoding details: http://pastebin.com/34d7xQpK

Speed: Quick (<48 hours)

Translation style: Aniplex edit.

 

External links.

Group website: https://kaylith.co.uk/

IRC channel: [email protected]

 

 

Visual Review

Karaoke.

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Opening. Boring-ish kara for a boring-ish OP. …which means it fits the theme. Good job, Kaylith.

Rating: Okay+.

 

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Ending. See my points on the OP.

Rating: Okay+.

 

 

Typesetting.

Spoiler:

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The typesetting was impressively precise. Sasuga Kaylith.

 

 

Other.

The epileptic encode is tolerable when the scene cuts are few and far between, but near the later portion of the episode — when the scenes kept switching from face to face — it became extremely irritating.

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I had to grate my teeth harder than a meth addict to get through the episode. Is it so much to ask for a QC? Or even better yet, an encoder who gives a shit?

 

 

 

Script Review

Main Script.

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Show some consistency in your releases. The “this shit is right out of a movie” theme isn’t exactly subtle.

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Thanks for having my back on this, Kaylith’s episode 2.

As such, try to use the right terminology.

http://www.imdb.com/glossary/S#stand_in

as opposed to

http://www.imdb.com/glossary/S#substitute (I’ll spare you the click; the term isn’t in their glossary.)

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You don’t generally hear about sweets being cooked. Why wouldn’t you use “baking” here?

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I’m quite disappointed by the lack of a Tinku Tinku Rittu Sta transcription. Don’t you see, Kaylith? This is where a secondary script should be used.

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Punning with a visual daikon gag may be hard, but it’d be rad if you could pull it off.

For real though, the lack of a pun in this scene causes quite the mismatch with the dialogue. Most viewers will immediately recognize something’s off when they get to this point in your release.

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You mean “excuse”? I’m going to assume you used “reason” here because of your less-than-judicious use of “excuse” later in the episode, but if you re-worded a couple of those lines, you’d have a convenient justification to use it here.

 

And learn some new words, please.

2Just

 

Look, I don’t wanna complain too much. The dialogue in this release tends toward fantastic, thanks mostly to intelligent editing.

vs. Aniplex’s “And so on…”

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vs. Aniplex’s “The sounds I play…”/”fade away from my reach, tangling up like flowers seized by the spring wind…”/”…and vanish.”

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vs. Aniplex’s “I can make you time to rehearse!”

…but that doesn’t mean I ain’t gonna whine about something. I got my sagey rep to maintain!

 

 

 

Results

Watchability: Most watchable.

Visual grade: B+

Script grade: A-

Overall grade: A-

The only other “competition” for Shigatsu is HorribleSubs and a Commie re-encode of the HorribleSubs release. As such, I’m pretty confident in recommending you go with Kaylith’s release of the best show this season.

 

Edit: Kaylith just dropped the show. In lieu of their subs, I recommend HorribleSubs.

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276 Comments

MK says:

Awesome, thanks for doing this! Pity there wasn’t much other competition around as far as release groups went.

Edit: Under your “Other” section, could you explain what you mean? What is the irritation? (unless one needs to watch this particular episode to get what you are referring to)

Dark_Sage says:

Basically whenever the scene changes, one frame that’s really bright and washed-out appears before what the scene is supposed to look like.

This is pretty minor until the scene shifts start coming in frequently, making it look like the screen is flashing whenever the perspective changes.

MK says:

Ah ok, I did notice the different variations, but wasnt to sure if THATS what you were referring to. Thanks

Hairy says:

You said Feito was next. You lied.

PP says:

D_S liado.

Anon says:

People…daido?

elenrod says:

When they are kirudo, hai.

Dark_Sage says:

Well, it was. But then I got bored because :Hatsuyuki subs:

Anonymous says:

>for a boring-ish OP
Get the hell outta here, D_S!

Dark_Sage says:

It sucks, sorry to break it to you.

qwerty says:

D_S confirmed to be biased for Kaylith.

Anonymous says:

D_S is in bed with the Cartel!

conkerer says:

What exactly do you mean by TLC for the erm, train sequence and the competition?

If you mean the left display panel on the bus, if you had only taken the first screenshot a few seconds earlier, or had taken the time to read the stuff on it, then you’d realize that the English appears first, which is then followed by the same thing in the different Japanese writing systems…

And for the competition if you mean the 4-odd signs at the back of the stage, those are extremely time-consuming signs that were skipped in favor of batch. If you prefer a time estimate, I’d say it would take maybe 2-4 hours for each sign for someone very used to all the tools, making no mistakes at all.

Dark_Sage says:

You have swayed me. Post updated.

PP says:

Kaylith has been a real suprise this year and picking subs for the shows they are working on has been a really easy task.
I do prefer Aniplex in those last 2 sets of screenshots but they are both fine.

jimmy says:

“the best show this season”
Whoops, Dark_Sage forgot to pretend to have shit taste like he always does!

Xythar says:

Sorry, does Kaylith count as a cartel group and if so, do I need to voice my displeasure about this review in order to avoid appearing biased? I’m not too clear on the specifics.

Kristen says:

>Fyurie – Group lead and nyaa mod
>Xythar – Editor for Kaylith + nyaa mod
>Kaylith – 2/3 shows blue

A group containing multiple nyaa mods marking their own releases blue? Yes, it’s cartel.

HyakuPercent says:

>Fyurie nyaa mod
Nice try.

Kristen says:

Oh, got it mixed up. That’s furzee, not Fyurie. My bad.

HyakuPercent says:

No problems. So long as you got your facts right.

Dark_Sage says:

furzeelicious probably shouldn’t count as he’s not really involved, based on the staff list. https://kaylith.co.uk/staff-list/

PP says:

>Xythar – Encoder
>implications
Fufufu ( ¬‿¬)

coldhell says:

>”D_S confirmed to be biased for Kaylith.”
Confirmed:
http://imgbox.com/YwJKp1gL

P.S. Don’t mind me, I just came here to read comments

Kristen says:

Oh, I didn’t even see furzee was on the staff list, lol. I though Fyurie was the encoder on nyaa staff and the group head of Kaylith. Names are similar.

qwerty says:

Here we go again!

Let me grab my popcorn.

MK says:

Got some to share? :p

Nigger says:

This release was really good, though, as are literally all Kaylith releases.

Dark_Sage says:

The only problem is that Shigatsu is the first good show they’ve worked on.

a says:

haitai nanafa 2 still planned or what?

Fyurie says:

Whenever Chrouya starts TLing it, yeah.

Anonymous says:

ZnT was pretty good, I thought. It was awesome at first and went severely downhill after Five showed up. But yeah, other than that, practically ever show Kaylith’s worked on has been utter dogshit. Poor Kaylith.

elenrod says:

Wrong, D_S. They did Sakura Trick.

jimmy says:

Haha. Ahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh, lord. Good one, elenrod.

Solaristics says:

Lies! ZnT was pretty good.

Solaristics says:

Are you shittin’ me? LOL. Goddammit. Though I expected something like this to happen. The Editor also has Psycho-pass the same day as Shigatsu. Prob not the reason, though.

Jing says:

I’m working on it with Commie.

Anonymous says:

Shigatsu?

Or did you mean Psycho-Pass?

a says:

pp2, sadly, shigatsu is herkz only sanctuary

Kamica says:

So in other words, Crunchy is the only group subbing the show this season.

Jing says:

Shigatsu.

Anonymous says:

Well that’s pretty silly. Hopefully you change your mind or work out whatever issues you had with Kaylith.

I’ll miss the amazing typesetting Kaylith had and the optional honorifics track was nice for those who prefer them, but oh well.

Dark_Sage says:

Did Csiko offer to deep throat you or something?

Fyurie says:

I’m still laughing, holy shit. This is just ludicrous.

You told Commie to take a hike because fts wasn’t TLCing, and now you don’t give a shit.

Thanks for wasting my time, and letting down the people who liked what we did outside of the editing department.

What a shame.

fnord says:

I don’t think I have to remind you two that you signed agreements and contracts prohibiting drama and limiting the outside perception of the cartel to certified PR personnel.

If you have any internal disagreements, please invoke §93 sect. G and refer it to the Court of Arbitration.

Jing says:

Don’t start this on some website. Be a man.

Fyurie says:

I’ve said everything I’ve needed to.

There’s not much more for me to say than this, I just needed to get that out there so people can see how shitty you’ve just been.

That’s that, I’m done with it.

Jing says:

Then allow me to defend myself. I’m an eye-for-an-eye kind of guy, so I’ll just say it’s a shame that you had to go and make this public in the first place before I follow you down that rabbit hole. Similarly, you should’ve known that post was a bad idea.

(I also thought everything was cool until I read that…)

Commie had an editor ready to do it in my stead. Their tlc informed me that he wouldn’t be available so I made sure to let people know I was going to do it with Kaylith well in advance of the show airing.

Of course I give a shit. But having to sit here and type this crap is the definition of a waste of time. You dropped ts on another project elsewhere–maybe an hour before we were set to release–and cited bad leadership when that group’s leader wouldn’t pick up your slack.

I told you it was silly behavior. This whole time, I haven’t been mad–just disappointed. I thought it was a misguided defense given your role in Kaylith as primarily a group manager who didn’t want to take on such roles himself, and yet there you were not one full day later, claiming to vacate a similar role in your own group. I called you on this, and instead of accepting any sort of criticism, you dared me to quit the project.

What am I supposed to do? That’s a shitty work environment no matter how you slice it. And since we do this for free anyway, there’s no incentive to be “managed” by someone I can’t respect. So I called your bluff. I didn’t ask you to drop the show, and I certainly didn’t pick it up elsewhere out of any sort of spite. I enjoy the show and I want to enjoy working on it. Your attitude didn’t facilitate that, and that’s all there is to it.

Fyurie says:

It’s okay, I still think you’re a piece of shit regardless.

I picked up the show solely because you wanted to do it, nothing changes that fact.

You’ve been an attitude issue the whole damn time you were at Kaylith. Good riddance.

No-one else cites these work-environment problems, except you, I wonder if this is because of something? Who knows.

You Can (Not) Post Anonymously says:

Pls sweep this all under the rug and privately make up so I can have my Kaylith typesetting AND my Jing editing for Shigatsu. ;_;

Jing says:

…Because it’s my opinion? I’m not trying to rally anyone behind me. Everybody else is great, and I hope you all still have a good relationship. The problem was between you and me. I even said we’d both be better off with me off the project so as not to keep getting at each other’s throats. Little did I know that you’d jump to this so quickly.

It also seems that you’ve been harboring some ill will towards me for quite a while now. What a wonder indeed that I considered working with you a bad experience when there’s been animosity coming from your side the entire time. You’ve only shown me that I made the right call.

Fyurie says:

>You’ve only shown me that I made the right call.

Given your shitty attitude towards my staff and me, I can only reciprocate that.

You Can (Not) Post Anonymously says:

You’re obviously both just tsundere for each other. Going dere / confession scene when?

That aside, RIP having a near-perfect release for this anime. A shame it seems like neither of you are going to budge or try talking things out calmly in IRC or something. :(

Anon says:

>I’m not trying to rally anyone behind me.
Shots fired!

You Can (Not) Post Anonymously says:

>>I’m not trying to rally anyone behind me.
>Shots fired!

Pls no bully. This kills the fansub.

Dark_Sage says:

Anonymous says:

Well that blows.

At least Zankyou no Terror was pretty great until Five showed up, so maybe that kinda counts as a good show Kaylith has subbed? Isshuukan Friends wasn’t bad either.

MM says:

Top kek, I thought that was a troll link.
I blame D_S.
Seriously though, god damn it, at least they are still doing Sora.

Anonymous says:

Now, I am become Jing, the destroyer of fansubs.

qwerty says:

God fucking damn it.

I was gonna make a joke about the whole “first good show Kaylith’s worked on”, but I’m just too disappointed to do so.

Is Kaylith cursed? First the shit with Danna ga nani, now this?

PP says:

Syndicate’s men sent by Commie (in exchange for a couple blues) managed to infiltrate Kaylith to destroy them.

Anon says:

Oh well. I guess I’ll just go with HorribleSubs for Shigatsu. I mostly waited for Kaylith for their delicious typesetting, and Commie’s TS isn’t really worth waiting for. The editing is nice and all, but the script is already decent enough.

Kristen says:

D_S, just one thing I wanted to point out. It is possible to cook sweets. For instance, many dishes involving melting chocolate are done in a pot (by professional chefs, the only legal use of a copper pot). You also have stuff like creme puffs that are deep fried and then frozen.

I haven’t taken my baking course yet so I can’t speak too well on the subject, but I think the cook sweets isn’t improper at all.

qwerty says:

Personally, I’ve always heard people say “making sweets” and never “baking” or “cooking”.

Also, mah drama! C-Come back!

Kristen says:

Too busy play archeage to waste time with drama.

Dark_Sage says:

There’s always regional differences to consider, yeah. If we’re going off frequency used online (which I often use to double check whether something I’m sure of is just limited to my part of the world or not), Google has “baking sweets” at 338k, “making sweets” at 106k, and “cooking sweets” at 72k.

Dark_Sage says:

It’s not that “cooking” is incorrect, it’s that “baking” is more correct.

anoyimous says:

You mean “baking” is “commoner” than “cooking”?

Dark_Sage says:

Not really. Cooking brings up 41.2m results, whereas baking brings up only 13m.

a_sh says:

Baking is just one method of cooking.
You can cook many types of sweets without baking.
The difference in Google results is irrelevant because you didn’t verify WHERE those terms were mentioned.

Dark_Sage says:

54.2m results is a few too many for me to verify. Perhaps you could handle that peer review?

Humanity says:

How about we be pretentious and say “hand-crafting” then call it a day?

pengu says:

I prefer watching my shows with typesetting, song translation and a decent font style. Gonna go with commie. Really sad that Kaylith dropped it, just when they started to become one of my new favorite fansub groups.

Koby says:

Kaylith is a shit group. Never archived anything they spit out. Though to be fair, they’ve only worked on two series I was even interested in to start with, but I guess that goes to show that they just have shitty taste in anime projects too.

Fyurie says:

Man, you’re funny. You worked for GX_ST, you can hardly talk. :(

Koby says:

I wouldn’t call doing a few specials I asked their translator to translate for me actually working ‘for’ them. If anything I just hosted the site because I was friends with the owners of the group.

Nevreen says:

Thank you for your valuable, well thought out opinion. I’m glad you decided to share it.

Solaristics says:

Coming from the guy who praises DDY every chance he gets… Lel.

Koby says:

What? I’ve downloaded a total of three shows from DDY. One of which was a joint with another group; while another is a BD project because no one else did them for the series.

From what I’ve heard though, a bunch of DDY staff recently jumped ship to head to Kaylith.

Anonymous says:

Hmm. I’m a big fan of both Jing’s editing and Kaylith, but it seems like a combo of Fyurie taking some of the stuff Jing is saying a bit too personally (even if Jing could have worded some of it a bit nicer before it got tense) and both of them taking things the wrong way / not being able to understand things from the other person’s perspective. A “two stubborn people butting heads” type situation.

Hopefully soon (or later down the line) they can work things out to at least do the Terror BDs (or at least have Jing work with Kaylith again in the future), but I guess it can’t be helped if neither of them want to try fixing things. In a perfect world, I’d like them to get along and continue doing Shigatsu under Kaylith, but I doubt that’ll happen unless they learn to communicate with each other a little better.

It doesn’t really alter my opinion of Kaylith or Jing much, though; it just shows that they have issues communicating with each other at the moment. Fyurie should probably take a breather to let this all simmer down, though.

ItsHim says:

But they’re both editors! How can there be errors in communication!!

Anonymous says:

I’m just sad that fansub drama like this happens. It’s amusing sometimes with the whole “cartel” nonsense that no one really takes seriously except for Kristen, but it’s not really funny when it’s the best group for one of the better anime this season dropping it over a failure to communicate / resolve conflicts calmly without both of them clashing like that.

Overall, it looks like they both took things a bit too personally and Fyurie overreacted a bit, but I don’t know the whole context, so it’s not really my place to butt in.

These replies he’s giving in the comments are kind of adding fuel to the fire though, as much as I like Kaylith. I’ll continue to use them as my first choice for stuff, but he needs to get better about keeping his cool during tense situations, because getting mad in the comments isn’t helping things on his side.

We’re all supposed to get along and enjoy our Chinese cartoons together. :(

Fyurie says:

Whoever you are, you’re fired.

says:

Oh no! :(          

Koby says:

Fyurie’s gonna run the group into the ground at this rate. Wow, what an ass of a leader.

Fyurie says:

At least I can’t go as far into the ground as running an anime forum. :^)

Koby says:

Rather a forum than a shitty fan-edit group.

Fyurie says:

You obviously don’t have a solid grasp on what good work looks like, then. You watched DDY unironically, that pretty much confirms it.

Koby says:

Funny thing is, the shows I watched by them; they got the best reviews for. So laugh all you want; you’re a biased asshole who’s killing your own group.

Solaristics says:

Stop using a Semicolon for every last sentence you make. Holy fuck.

Koby says:

I really don’t give a shit what you want me to do. Maybe I’m just doing it to piss idiots off? It’s not like comments on a blog need to be perfect English. This isn’t serious business. CryMore™

Solaristics says:

You’re a funny guy.

says:

Go back to stocking shelves at Walmart or something, butterball.

Jing says:

Current bickering aside, they do good work. Even I know you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Nevreen says:

I think this whole argument is kinda dumb, but you’re not even involved and yet you’re the most stupid participant. Good show.

EDIT: This is a reply to Koby, in case it wasn’t obvious.

Koby says:

Thanks for playing.

MK says:

Congratulations!!! You win the “I dont give a shit” award.

Nevreen says:

You guys are cute.

fmr says:

Nah, I’ve actually seen people run their groups into the ground. Fyurie’s not on that path, at least the way things are currently. And, unless something changes significantly in the future, I don’t think Fyurie will ever lead Kaylith to a point where it will go bad.

MK says:

Did you read what was pasted into pastebin? Update: Things have just gone bad…

Fyurie says:

Yes, he’s in the group, genius. He saw it happen.

MK says:

And one it supposed to know who he is in the convo, how? Besides your mention of it now.

fmr says:

Nah, you couldn’t have known that. But to be honest, conversations like that happen more often than you might think within fansub groups. If everything were happy and dandy, it’d feel pretty plastic. Regardless, I just want to point out that I am confident that Fyurie will continue to lead Kaylith in a way so that it continues to produce excellent subs.

MK says:

Fair enough, granted that majority of us are not in position of knowing what convos are going on internally (well except for this case), you seem fairly confident in Fyurie – so I hope for your sake, it all works out.

Personal opinion is that Fyurie needs an attitude adjustment… but then maybe your “plastic” atmosphere would come into play.

Fyurie says:

You’ve seen nothing if you think I’m bad. 99% of the time I don’t have to flip like this.

Jing says:

Oh, give it a rest. You didn’t have to do anything of the sort. This was all over and done with until you decided to make it public.

MK says:

Sorry @fmr, doesn’t look like what you said earlier will come into existence. (nothing malicious intended.)

Koby says:

Seems you were wrong. Fyurie ran Kaylith down in less than 24 hours.

Fyurie says:

Except they’re going to rebrand and carry on without me. Your move.

I don’t know where your father touched you when you were little, but you should probably stop taking it out on the internet, buddy.

Koby says:

Fyurie still butthurt.

Nevreen says:

Koby still dumb.

Googol says:

Idiots these days…

Fyurie says:

Hey, I gained a ton of free time, I’m anything but butthurt. :^)

LotusGG says:

Stop hurting yourself, Fyurie-kun.

Solaristics says:

You’re still retarded :>

LotusGG says:

>they’re going to rebrand and carry on without me.
sauce

KoolKidsK says:

[%] Topic is ‘This group will continue subbing under a different name, currently TBD. | http://bit.ly/10c6WOt
[%] Set by [furzee] ([email protected]) on Friday, October 31st, 2014 at 7:32pm
^topic of #kaylith, mate.

KoolKidsK says:

also, uh, it was his own group. You’d think he’d know what his staff are doing.

LotusGG says:

Ah, I see.

Ishitzu says:

http://caffeine.moe/

Old staff is subbing under [caffeine] now. They’re continuing Sora no Method and Orenchi no Furo Jijou. They’re just recommending going over to the Commie release for Shigatsu though, since that’s where their old editor is.

rarely_upset says:

Since when was joking about child molestation like that okay? It doesn’t even sound funny or clever. That’s fucked up.

Fyurie says:

Hey, I’m already going to hell, I have nothing to lose. Might as well dig something out of the guy’s obviously broken past.

MK says:

How could you possibly know ANYTHING their past you fucked up piece of ginger shit. Hell doesnt even deserve you.

Fyurie says:

Cool story. I’ll let you know when I care about the feelings of lower lifeforms like him.

It’s pretty obvious by his obsession with me that something in his past is broken, that’s what usually creates a stalker, after all.

Also, putting it out there, I wasn’t making a joke, I was being deadly serious.

Anonymous says:

Damn, dude. Stop replying so impulsively to all of these insults/arguments and cool off for a bit.

Losing your composure and replying with such aggressiveness is just stooping to their level and digging yourself deeper into a hole. Hell, if anything, he’s probably saying this shit to get a rise out of you to make you look unprofessional / to stir up some drama (and it’s unfortunately working), so I’m not really sure why you’d bother responding to it, let alone respond to it with such aggressiveness and lack of composure.

If you respond to every troll comment on this site, you’re gonna have a bad time.

tl;dr – Ignore the trolls and keep a level head.

qwerty says:

What a shitty situation.

This type of thing just isn’t my cup of tea. As a leecher, I feel guilty for having wanted more fansub drama now. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

Jing says:

Not even slightly okay.

Holo says:

Your house has a leak, Fyurie!

Fyurie says:

Yup, I’ve got the (ban)hammer out to fix it. :)

aeroline says:

well, what a shame :/

Hairy says:

>I literally destroy my soul to do because I hate it so much

How dark.

Fyurie says:

Welcome to fansubbing.

LotusGG says:

You know, you don’t have to do what you don’t want to(unless you’re being paid, but even so it applies). But also, bitching back a bitch is NOT the way to go. You just fucked the show for, like, 5k people that downloads the show from you and will have to download a poor release because of a personal matter that could easily be overlooked.
I like your work, Fyurie, and that’s why I’m saying this.

LotusGG says:

Commie is shit, CR is weird(no typeset, magical mistakes).
I hope that Fyurie go back on his words and undrop the show.

fmr says:

If Jing is doing it at Commie the quality should be fine. Even if it wasn’t with Jing, it would still be decent enough. Considering the circumstances, just go with Commie.

a says:

b-but muh beautiful karaoke

I know, it’s a real tragedy all the work that must’ve been put into this will soon be for naught.

LotusGG says:

B-But… my honorifics…

Kappa says:

Noooo I really wanted Kaylith’s release this week :-(

Ishitzu says:

Well shit. I really loved Kaylith’s release and was really looking forward to the latest episode. ;_; I would hope that somehow this whole drama is resolved, but that’s probably not going to happen based on the shitstorm that went on above.

Anywho, seeing how Jing’s moving over to Commie for editing, wouldn’t that be a better option than HS? That would mean a great script, and decent typesetting and karaoke.

qwerty says:

Aaaaaand fansubbing’s dead.

Anonymous says:

Jesus fucking Christ…

Koby says:

Fyurie trolling…

Fyurie says:

Nope, dipshit. I’m done with the subbing side of things.

Koby says:

Another one bites the dust! Bye.

Fyurie ran Kaylith into the ground even quicker than imagined.

Fyurie says:

Yeah, enjoy one less source of good subtitles. It’ll only be the mostly terrible “prosubs” left soon.

Hairy says:

We’ve still got Commie! :)

And I guess Kaylith dying means more staff members for Commie.

Solaristics says:

Can’t wait for more unedited works.

Hairy says:

C’mon, man. They work really hard spicing up the CR scripts with epic memes.

qwerty says:

Don’t forget dicks in OPs.

Wallop says:

Hating Commie? What, you don’t like Reddit Does Rifftrax?

Koby says:

Eh, almost every groups these days are edits rather than original tl anyhow and most of the fan-edits are shit. Of the 6 shows I picked up this season, 3 are from HS because no one did better.

One no one else subbed at all. While the other two only had Commie as an alternative.

Seriously, shut the fuck up. I’ve had it with the bullshit everywhere today, and retards like you TRYING to add fuel to the fire are the last thing anyone needs. For starters, you’re clearly incapable of identifying quality, so you should stop acting like any judgements you made should be taken seriously. I don’t know whose fan-edits you checked out, but if they’re worse than CR then you’re probably looking at the wrong sources.

Koby says:

lol… Like you have any business ordering me around. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Fyurie’s just butthurt because shit happened.

Anonymous says:

Christ, you’re being such a try-hard right now. We get it, you enjoy drama.

Koby says:

Nope. If you actually bothered to read, all I did was comment about what an ass Fyurie seemed to be from the leaked conversation between Kaylith staff. It was Fyurie who decided to cause drama by not only making the attack against his own staff member public, but attacking me for commenting on the leaked conversation.

I’m not here to cause drama. I sincerely never liked Kaylith as a group; not necessarily because they’re bad (which I don’t think they are either); but simply because imo they have poor choices in shows. I’ve never had the need to archive anything they do so Kaylith’s existence was moot to me. Whether they shut down or remain active, it changes nothing to me.

People here are idiots though who don’t read and instead want to try insult me and fail at doing so just because I spoke up and commented about my opinion of Fyurie based on the conversation that was leaked.

That’s it. The rest and everything that followed was all CryMore commenters and Fyurie being butthurt about comments.

http://www.crymore.net/2014/10/30/fansub-review-kaylith-shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-episode-03/comment-page-1/#comment-227427

You really don’t think people can scroll up and see that, no, you actually did start commenting for the sole purpose of starting shit? Nice try, though.

Nevreen says:

>Kaylith is a shit group
>not necessarily because they’re bad (which I don’t think they are either)
>People here are idiots who don’t read

Whatever you say, sweetheart.

EDIT: Gah, HA beat me to it.

fmr says:

You clearly have no clue about Kaylith and it shows. If anyone has an idea about what is going on, it’s HA. Now do us all a favor and piss off.

Solaristics says:

You make yourself look like a retard each and every passing day. Lmao.

Anon says:

>enjoy one less source of good subtitles

Ayy.

Kristen says:

Fyurie, are you sure it’s subbing that’s frustrating, or is it the people you need to work with and the shows you have to do?

MM says:

This is all your fault, Kristen, somehow, someway.

Anonymous says:

Nah, I’ll never insult Kristen again. I love the fansub drama he causes, and that’s the only fansub drama we should have. This drama that leads to groups dying and great fansubbers retiring is awful. ;_;

Fyurie says:

Oh, it’s definitely the subbing.

LotusGG says:

Please, don’t try to lead anything anymore.

KoolKidsK says:

Not even. Staff chan is nonexistent/clear user’d and accesses removed. rip

EDIT: ninja’d

vivant says:

I wish this is an April Mop joke, then I realize it’s October.
RIP Kaylith TwT
Thank you for your hard work on ZnT.

Anonymous says:

This is a fucking terrible season for fansubbing, God damn. Borderline depressing, even. The only glimmer of hope from this season is that Cthuko’s returned.

Going to miss Kaylith. Really sad that something as minor as this had led to one of the best fansub groups in years dying.

a says:

I hate myself typing this, but “destroying my soul”… it’s funny cause he’s a ginger!

pix <Link Removed> ( ¬‿¬)

Anonymous says:

>posting your face on the internet
>having any digital footprint AT ALL
Yeah, nah. I seriously hope no one does this.

Also, I seriously hope Fyurie is okay with you linking his personal Facebook, coz if not this is pretty uncool.

Dark_Sage says:

It’s not cool at all. I rarely mess with posts here, but posting personal information like that is a no-no.

MK says:

Its like the Youtube comments section around here…

PP says:

Well, Commie sure went out of its way to get A+ for this one, they should get it just based on the effort.

LotusGG says:

Well, the drama scaled way too hard.

If this is what happens when you get an A, I don’t even want to know what would happen if D_S disqualified it.

P.S.: I know that one thing has nothing to do with another, I’m just joking.

jello donut says:

What a world we live in where the choices for subs are between Crunchyroll and Commie affiliated mega localized memesubs.

#happening #epic #anime

Nevreen says:

Psst, the editor working on it at Commie now is the editor who was working on it at Kaylith.

#clueless #leechers #bandwagons

jello donut says:

And that certainly means that 80% of commie releases aren’t just what I described.

#literal #retard #keepEatingShit

Nevreen says:

No, it just means you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you think 80% of Commie releases are “memesubs” (god, even air-quoting that word makes me gag), then you’re obviously an idiot.

PP says:

You reap what you sow.

Degel says:

Please review Commie’s release XD

Anonymous says:

Exact same thing except the typesetting is herkz-tier.

So probably somewhere between a B- and a B+.

Degel says:

THX, I’ll check them out later… BTW is it that bad the meme parts everyone talks about

Anonymous says:

The editor of this release went to Commie, so there won’t be any memes. It’ll be the exact same editing style because the same person is editing their release from episode 4 and onward.

Not as many signs will be translated and the sign translations won’t look as nice as Kaylith’s did, but it’s pretty much the same release starting at episode 4 other than that.

LotusGG says:

>herkz-tier
is it even good?

Anonymous says:

It’s decent, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Kaylith’s TS. It’s pretty much only the necessities / the signs that were translated in Crunchyroll’s script and they don’t look as nice as Kaylith’s.

PP says:

Probably not, herkz didn’t like it that D_S wasn’t reviewing Commie’s release, if D_S finds that as amusing as I do then he won’t.

Dark_Sage says:

I had been considering it, but with this information, my amused level for Shigatsu is maxed out. So I’m going to forget about the show and move onto something else~

vipirius says:

Why does it matter if he reviews Commie release. It’s the only option anyway. I mean Commie are good enough that I’d prefer them over HS so no choice.

Anonymous says:

I’ll stick with the CR version, as I’d rather not worry about the distinct possibility of Commie getting bored and putting random trolling in it, especially when it would be tempting because of all the drama already associated with subbing it.

LotusGG says:

Nyaa just blue’d commie’s Shigatsu.
If fansubbing is not dead, then it’s just rotten.

PP says:

Called it.
http://www.crymore.net/2014/10/30/fansub-review-kaylith-shigatsu-wa-kimi-no-uso-episode-03/comment-page-1/#comment-227549
I imagine they only did it now because “we are the only ones doing it anyway”.

Nevreen says:

Kaylith had blue, but dropped the show. So blue would then go to the best group that’s still doing it. Considering Kaylith’s editor for the show is working on it at Commie now, is it so surprising that they’d get blue? Oh, and Commie and Kaylith were the only two groups subbing the show, so I really don’t get what your point is.

PP says:

>Kaylith had blue
No? Unless it got removed literally as Kaylith announced them dropping it because I checked then, even before that I don’t remember them having blue.

Nevreen says:

Didn’t they? I rarely actually visit Nyaa, but I thought they did. My mistake if they didn’t. Even if that’s the case, I still don’t see what the hubbub is all about. Commie’s release is better than CR’s, and they’re the only group subbing the show, so they get blue.

If you want to complain about Kaylith not having blue before this, go ahead, but I don’t see why you’d raise a fuss about Commie getting it now.

PP says:

Because blue isn’t meant to be given to a release because it’s better than the source they are pretty much copy-pasting from, and yeah, it’s not that Commie got it now, it’s that Kaylith didn’t have it when it was much superior to Commie and since Commie was also subbing the show Kaylith would probably only see blue at the end of it.

Nevreen says:

Blue, according to Nyaa’s policy, goes to whichever group has the best release as long as it passes a minimum bar of quality. Commie’s release is the best one now, so they get blue (and again, since Kaylith’s old editor for the show is now doing it at Commie, I don’t think it’s fair to claim it’s “pretty much copy-pasting”).

If you say that your main issue is with Kaylith not getting blue before, I’ll leave it at that, since I do agree that they should have gotten it, but it’s mostly crying over spilled milk at this point.

fnord says:

Shigatsu was in the process of being reviewed for A+ when Kaylith dropped it, making the question moot.

There was no conclusion yet.

Solaristics says:

Pretty obvious that they would’ve gotten the A+. Not that I’m basing it off this review, but there only other competition was Commie, and yeah…

Holo says:

“minimum bar of quality”

That bar gets lower and lower every season!
(When applied to Commie releases of course.)

Anonymous says:

A+ generally gets handed out around episode 3 – 4 unless there’s only one group doing it. I’m certain if Kaylith hadn’t dropped it, they’d have gotten A+.

qwerty says:

I don’t think Kaylith had blue. I was pretty surprised they didn’t in fact.

ng says:

herkz nyaa mod

jabashque says:

Well, shit. I’m late to the party.

Mehrwerfer says:

So… Fyurie quit fansubbing?
What’s with Fate UBW from Commie?

LotusGG says:

lol commie’s kara for shigatsu is just plain text with red border all along the opening.
The encoding is also awful.

Anonymous says:

Don’t forget the herkz-tier typesetting. Better than CR at least, but RIP Kaylith TS.

LotusGG says:

Let’s hope that shin-kaylith will save us.

P.S.: Jing said there were honorifcs, but it hasn’t any(Yeah, I heard the guy saying Kaori-chan).

Nevreen says:

No, he said, “Magic Kaito, Danna ga Nani, and Mouryou no Hako (old series) are all shows I’m working on & using jp honorifics for.”

I don’t see Shigatsu anywhere in that list. The fact that you can’t read doesn’t make him a liar.

Anonymous says:

Uhh.. What? Did you read the thing I said (the thing Jing was replying to)? I asked what he was editing BESIDES Commie’s Psycho-Pass and Shigatsu since Commie obviously doesn’t allow honorifics in their releases. Look at Commie’s “showtimes” page. Says it right there that he’s editing both of them.

Nevreen says:

Right. He’s editing Shigatsu and Psycho-Pass at Commie, where honorifics aren’t allowed. He replied that he was using honorifics in three other shows he’s editing this season. Thus, he never lied about using honorifics in Shigatsu.

How is this causing so much confusion? It’s fucking simple.

LotusGG says:

Looks like I’m not the only one misreading that.

Nevreen says:

Looks like Crymore is home to the illiterate.

jabashque says:

What does alliteration have to do with anything?

Xythar says:

>The encoding is also awful.

I found your remark interesting, since it’s actually pretty hard to screw up encoding from a clean Aniplex source like Shigatsu (Aniplex’s CR shows are pretty much the best video source you can get before the BDs come out). So I compared three arbitrary scenes from the Commie and Kaylith release of episode 1.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/98698

They look pretty much the same to me – if anything, I think Commie’s preserves slightly more detail in dark scenes (eg the bottom-right of comparison 3), but the difference is slight enough to be negligible.

Care to explain what you found so “awful” about it?

LotusGG says:

If you compare CR and Commie’s episode 4, maybe I can try.

Xythar says:

Sure. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/98741

It’s worth noting that Commie’s encode is about 50mb smaller.

LotusGG says:

I took 15 precious minutes of my life taking some screenshots but seems like I fucked with the jpg and they’re all shit now.
So I’ll just say that the fade-ins and fade-outs are blurry, as is most of the fine traces and the reddish colors are oversaturated. Someone fucked with denoise filter.

Xythar says:

No, they didn’t. The only filtering herkz ever does on TV encodes is gradfun3().

LotusGG says:

So I don’t know what happened there.

Xythar says:

I don’t think anything did happen. It should look pretty much the same as the source with some light debanding, as I believe my comparisons have shown.

Any differences in color, etc are either a rendering issue on your end or a perceptual issue in your mind (you expect Commie’s encode to be bad because you expect Commie to be bad, and so it looks bad to you).

LotusGG says:

So HorribleSubs won’t render the same way as Commie renders?
and
>you expect Commie’s encode to be bad because you expect Commie to be bad, and so it looks bad to you
If I were to think like that, I would have watched it by horriblesubs directly.

Xythar says:

I dunno what kind of setup you have, but maybe it handles 8bit and 10bit stuff differently. Or it might be entirely in your head, I’m really not sure. Kinda hard to offer much else without knowing where to look.

LotusGG says:

It’s just the latest CCCP.

Xythar says:

Well, unless you can give me some kind of example, I can only conclude that you’re seeing things. The only thing I can see from your list is that the deband smooths over the darkest/lightest frames during the fades a little, but that sure beats the blocking CR has going on during those frames.

jabashque says:

LotusGG, are you sure you didn’t leave madVR’s debanding on or something? Commie’s encode is already debanded, so debanding again is going to end up destroying detail.

LotusGG says:

It’s on, but turning it off is not helping. The blur and the reds are annoying me, but it’s not making it unwatchable.

jabashque says:

>Edit: Kaylith just dropped the show. In lieu of their subs, I recommend HorribleSubs.

Why would you recommend Aniplex when the editor and typesetter for Kaylith’s release moved over to Commie?

Dark_Sage says:

Because I don’t review disqualified releases.

jabashque says:

I don’t really see how that answers why you’re still recommending Crunchyroll in place of Kaylith when the editor and typesetter moved over to Commie, but whatever.

(Or rather, I understand what you mean, since based on the time when you were evaluating Commie’s release, it was all herkz, but I don’t understand why you’re still treating it that way when Jing and conkerer have taken over editing and typesetting on Commie’s release.)

Period says:

I agree, Commie usually releases Shigatsu relatively quickly (only 6-12 hours later than HS), and with a few ex-kaylith staff its probably worth the wait now.

Of course, some more reviews could obviously be the judge of that, D_S. *wink wink nudge nudge*

Dark_Sage says:

Okay, I’ll rephrase it then. I don’t recommend disqualified releases, nor do I like to speculate on quality (hence the reviews). Sure Conk and Jing could “keep up” the quality displayed here. Or they could glance at the script and pass it out the door in 5 minutes. HorribleSubs is a known quantity, and a fast one. Considering how flaky Jing has proven himself to be, I’m not gonna risk viewer experience on merely hoping the quality of his character improves.

If you have faith in him, then by all means go with Commie. But I’m not gonna sell unfounded hopes and dreams to my readers here.

jabashque says:

Ah, okay. This is a much better explanation for why you aren’t recommending Commie.

Thank you.

Nevreen says:

I don’t think Jing has been flaky at all. He’s produced good scripts for all of his shows, and the only work of his you’ve disqualified has been Parasyte, which has an excellent CR script to begin with. If you want to rail on him for “fake editing” Parasyte, go ahead, but I don’t see how that reflects poorly on his ability as an editor.

Ephemere says:

In light of the staff changes at Commie, you could also do a rereview. That’s not unheard of and you’ve done it before for significantly more trivial things. That, in my opinion, would probably be the best course of action if you are trying to be an accurate judge of quality for your followers.

jabashque says:

I’m going to guess Dark_Sage will talk about how a single episode review won’t be a representative of the quality for the whole series because of Jing or something.

He seems unwilling to evaluate the new Commie releases because of his behavior, but I’m just speculating. I don’t know why D_S thinks that Jing is flaky in the first place.

faggot says:

Didn’t Jing single–handedly kill a group though?
Not that has anything to do with his editing skills.

Ephemere says:

While I wouldn’t say any single person is resposible for Kaylith’s disbanding, if you had to say one person is responsible for the group dying, it’d be Fyurie.

faggot says:

>if you had to say one person is responsible for the group dying, it’d be Fyurie
For telling Jing to actually work on a show he(Jing) asked to pick up? Or for being pissed off when he not only didn’t do his job but went and edited the same show for another group instead?

KoolKidsK says:

You got it all wrong. Stop trying. Jing didn’t edit it for another group until Fyu announced the project was dropped. He and Fyu clashed a lot though I don’t think that was shown publicly until that one instance of them clashing in staff chan was leaked. Kaylith disbanding had nothing to do with Shigatsu being dropped.

Nevreen says:

Even if a fraction of this was true, that still wouldn’t make Jing responsible for Kaylith disbanding.

Ephemere says:

I’m not going to pin any of this on Fyurie. If he doesn’t want to fansub, he shouldn’t; it’s as simple as that. But Kaylith was very much alive until Fyurie decided to retire. And Kaylith, being something of an extension of Fyurie himself, went into retirement with him.

Dark_Sage says:

Kaylith wouldn’t have died (so soon) if Jing had been a reliable member of the team.

faggot says:

>Jing didn’t edit it for another group until Fyu announced the project was dropped.
Boy I wonder why he announced the project was dropped in the first place…
>that still wouldn’t make Jing responsible for Kaylith disbanding
I guess I shouldn’t have said single–handedly.
Jing and Fyurie did it.
Let’s pray that caffeine doesn’t met with a similar fate soon, otherwise someone might start pointing fingers.

KoolKidsK says:

>Boy I wonder why he announced the project was dropped in the first place…
I was Kaylith staff and am now Caffeine staff. Project was dropped because Fyu and Jing clashed. Jing decided to edit for Commie after staff conflict and project was dropped because he still wanted to work on it. Hell, as far as I know, everyone did but fyurie. He might’ve still wanted to work on it if it weren’t for the conflicted interest in staff members. We just didn’t want it at Kaylith because the conflict it created between our group members wasn’t wanted and didn’t contribute to a good working environment for the rest of our shows.

I think the entire Shigatsu staff list that made the release stand out is now over at Commie. Editor, tlc, and typesetter. Not trying to argue or anything, so sorry if I come off that way. I just want people to know that Kaylith didn’t disband over Shigatsu. It’s as Ephemore says. Fyurie didn’t want to fansub anymore and he took Kaylith with him. Caffeine staff is entirely Kaylith staff minus maybe one guy who didn’t do anything in the first place (I think? he might’ve been QCing something for a batch or something, actually) and fyurie. We haven’t recruited anyone new as far as I know.

faggot says:

@KoolKidsK
Here I go out of my way to imply something I have no actual clue about and what do you do. You calm and collectedly explain what happened instead.
Way to ruin any drama this might have caused.
I do think it’s a shame that editor, tlc and ts decided to do under commie instead of caffeine. Not only because most people just ignore commie releases but because releasing under commie implies that they have to follow a ridiculous set of rules and standards.

But yeah fuck you for not taking the bait.

Qrius says:

>an accurate judge of quality
>Dark_Sage

pick one

Ephemere says:

I’m sure Sagey wants to be at least a decent judge of fansub quality. I figure that this approach would allow for him to adequately convey to his readers the varying qualities of the still existing Shigatsu releases (Commie and HS).

Anonymous says:

Why aren’t you just dismissing D_S whenever is convenient like the rest of us cool kids?

Dark_Sage says:

As has always been my policy with re-reviews, I’ll do them if I fuck something up on my end, or upon request if I have enough free time.

Unless I somehow stumble my way into wealth, I don’t see the latter happening any time soon.

Anonymous says:

I’ll pay $50 for dick pics.

LotusGG says:

plottwist = D_S is a girl

Anonymous says:

Girl girl or like Kristen?

LotusGG says:

Kristen’s girl?

Period says:

Why not quit your dayjob and take donations for Crymore to “pay for the costs of the site”.

Hairy says:

Maybe he could start a Patreon for reviews.

LotusGG says:

10$ a review.

qwerty says:

$20 for each post with a Cartel vs Syndicate shitstorm.

sangofe says:

Why not stop coming with brainless suggestions?

Virgo says:

No, he didn’t, faggot.

LotusGG says:

who did?

qwerty says:

I think he was supposed to reply to “faggot” above.

faggot says:

Learn to reply.

Kotori-sama says:

Hey, there’s a group called ‘Tenkai’ subbing this show. Anyone know if their subs are better or worse then Commie? Thank you!

rarely_upset says:

Probably not important since you seem unable to read.

>- Official subs with TPP as default subtitle track; Commie’s as secondary.

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