Fansubbing by the Numbers: A Spring 2016 Shitpost

Article, Fansubs, Spring 2016 — By on June 6, 2016 1:03 am

This post was written by Dark_Sage. He is Dark_Sage.

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The Numbers

Here be spreadsheats!

Spoiler:

12-sai 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 36775 27129 24231 22256 19374 18725 17266 18019
Nyaa – Doremi – Downloads 4607 5173 4710 4157 3953 3272 2938 2647
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 12688 7567 6706 7460 6109 5845 5434 5032
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 7719 7487 6740 4890 4642 4546 4147 4967

 

Ace Attorney 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 173296 141391 123688 113490 105294 105229 90698 82660 75861 56469
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 50471 41179 36023 33053 30666 30647 26415 24074 22094 16446
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 34348 17805 13509 15090 13472 12638 11250 11018 10122 6963
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 12299 10101 11830 8183 7874 7195 6894 6959 5815 3586

 

Anne Happy 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 43784 33388 29618 29241 30168 27268 24237 22617 18416
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 35725 27242 24166 23859 24615 22249 19776 18454 15026

 

Bakuon 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 51471 38497 33829 35154 34804 31277 26187 24430 20727
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 50687 37911 33314 34618 34274 30801 25788 24058 20411

 

Big Order 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 163901 137470 125298 117450 112221 103944 91164 71442
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 65446 54892 50032 46898 44810 41505 36402 28527
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 18993 22013 17521 14896 13627 11278 12506 4326
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 25003 15552 19489 16329 15600 16329 10026 14694

 

Boku no Hero Academia 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 921608 807635 777253 554139 726349 683500 698297 705687 619685 311315
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 112358 98463 94759 67558 88553 83329 85133 86034 75549 37954
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 35715 27257 25207 24809 25256 21528 19293 16566 16129
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 15090 15009 12474 12716 11166 11950 13167 12610 11906 7519

 

Bungou Stray Dogs 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 391450 318812 286968 275644 261106 231992 209946 201577 171514
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 79192 64497 58055 55764 52823 46933 42473 40780 34698
Nyaa – Impatience – Downloads 2468 2962 2615 2179 2539 1861 1844 1874
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 22806 22406 17589 17188 19751 14687 11895 11361 10362
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 19930 14015 15093 11189 6404 10472 13115 12163 6681

 

Endride 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 165410 114459 93071 82720 84445 81667 64400 62662 52922 39501
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 58235 40297 32767 29123 29730 28752 22673 22061 18632 13907
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 16278 14374 6420 8831 10826 7687 6537 6885 8112 3662
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 18587 11047 17852 9718 5808 8071 7545 7485 3719 5299

 

Flying Witch 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 113097 92475 86004 84594 77979 67656 59207 53620 39020
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 74521 60933 56669 55740 51381 44579 39012 35331 25711
Nyaa – Asenshi – Downloads 9139 7836 7151 7162 7080 5686 5288 4508
Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads 6204 5977 5602 4798 4700 3575 3746 2883
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 38833 21352 23527 25968 19528 17019 16827 24976 7176
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 22108 31917 24953 22308 24213 24288 24392 9955 19322

 

Haifuri 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 54934 42042 38887 38897 39329 34172 31602 30361 23290
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 39403 30156 27893 27900 28210 24511 22667 21777 16705
Nyaa – Vivid-GJM – Downloads 7627 6281 6052 5666 5952 4944 4825 4553 2208
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 30719 25053 15543 13670 19508 14857 13861 12590 10393

 

Hundred 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 471027 436840 399504 376857 370622 347065 309060 307835 258887
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 71922 66702 61001 57543 56591 52994 47191 47004 39530
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 27204 22476 18459 17296 16354 19916 18797 15039 9177
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 25028 23369 23514 25192 19886 15153 10688 11968 15576

 

Joker Game 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 175051 141434 129830 127918 119330 110795 97402 91104 78178
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 68486 55334 50794 50046 46686 43347 38107 35643 30586
Nyaa – Commie – Downloads 3635 3695 3457 2281
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 29027 19436 22044 22235 19850 17916 13107 14150 12602
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 11406 19203 10379 9333 8554 8694 13934 11461 10090

 

Kiznaiver 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 394769 327982 299679 284686 280517 244077 217933 188693 144164
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 90524 75209 68719 65281 64325 55969 49974 43269 33058
Nyaa – Asenshi – Downloads 8279 6893 6714 6810 6945 5516 6232 5375 3063
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 30161 18811 17945 17228 14782 11748 12189 11345 5995
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 13859 18758 16079 15955 14226 15493 14384 13184 12017

 

Koutetsujou no Kabaneri 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 822519 655764 669569 713974 602185 640842 595950 478295
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 59660 87043 123492 119938 106083 101019 98564 77575
Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads 19414 13857 12666 9858 9061 8674 7600
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 42634 38930 36826 34947 46323 26664 32402 20892
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 48647 33845 37481 44288 20506 44455 33735 32188

 

Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 81979 61167 56409 56904 57001 54465 45488 45705 30435
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 51688 38566 35566 35878 35939 34340 28680 28817 19189
Nyaa – Chyuu – Downloads 5590 5123 2919
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 35492 30563 26361 18420 23590 22308 25831 17645 13860
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 25441 22073 24541 31473 23455 21354 13745 22382 22120

 

Kuromukuro 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 91792 83299 75842 69117 72440 57257 59690 50481 42717
Nyaa – gg – Downloads 39502 35847 32638 29744 31174 24640 25687 21724 18383
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 32065 21769 20250 23810 14022 16065 19091 14576 9745
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 20195 24703 22759 13180 22209 20031 15373 19035 19322

 

Macross Delta 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 119651 86984 80588 76844 72751 68932 66961 64917 52731
Nyaa – gg – Downloads 58647 42635 39500 37665 35659 33787 32821 31819 25846
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 48694 41696 31940 23233 20914 29853 26424 30594 16493
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 18759 17602 25543 35336 25746 17442 18551 16086 27033

 

Mayoiga 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 288166 235270 208574 192017 188534 181084 165516 147882 134888 100477
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 75778 61868 54848 50494 49578 47619 43525 38888 35471 26422
Nyaa – Chihiro – Downloads 3625 3449 3713 3144 2558 2390 2372 1656 860
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 34843 22818 14226 21775 20470 16950 14787 13522 12770 8303
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 23562 26707 24720 22635 21607 21037 20780 21169 20370 18640

 

Netoge 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 245023 214082 197585 179785 175701 163627 153193 145334 115100
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 80994 70766 65313 59429 58079 54088 50639 48041 38047
Nyaa – Ecchihiro – Downloads 2808 2824 2804 2326 2229 2124 1860 1401
Nyaa – Tsundere – Downloads 2937 3064 3028 2569 2507 1958 1995 1496 1122
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 44748 33327 30105 28316 26631 33339 17134 22749 14146
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 22782 34528 32830 32450 32004 16949 37365 28130 27829

 

Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 463169 512171 460450 447461 461682 427840 450430 404841 444774
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 90644 100234 90112 87570 90353 83730 88151 79229 87044
Nyaa – DameDesuYo – Downloads 9990 8592 7929 7508 7683 6504 8000 4560
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 52076 48215 44689 29239 41779 43979 33650 32320 26652
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 26543 33433 25717 51588 35185 36625 40392 40409 32777

 

Sakamoto Desu Ga 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 315822 239534 214484 199503 185446 159486 136123 97367
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 89466 67855 60759 56515 52533 45179 38561 27582
Nyaa – Commie – Downloads 2862 1564
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 40948 28892 24812 20850 21628 23735 20858 9565
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 30704 26771 24978 24595 21030 14880 14457 20690

 

Sansha Sanyou 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 51659 35740 33458 31578 30104 28417 25152 23467
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 36738 25417 23794 22457 21409 20209 17887 16689
Nyaa – orz – Downloads 2701 3350 3048 2504 2158 2097 2031 934
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 22801 17789 18273 13638 14626 15361 11264 11575
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 17780 14591 5003 14667 13321 9603 14630 11486 4950

 

Shounen Maid 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 84267 63588 59471 57326 49284 39450 36730 28774
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 37155 28037 26222 25276 21730 17394 16195 12687
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 15871 8633 9960 9338 8568 9201 8454 6384
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 15083 6483 11296 9835 9149 7386 6686 8743

 

Seisen Cerberus 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 310733 250199 218111 207744 190562 179326 140663 142491 123369
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 63749 51330 44747 42620 39095 36790 28858 29233 25310
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 19222 14490 11092 9354 9131 8872 10473 8093 5732
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 19330 14908 12608 13368 9848 8847 4986 7183 7627

 

Sousei no Onmyouji 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 430405 366033 345853 322991 306096 285962 246239 247917 212762
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 74157 63066 59589 55650 52739 49270 42426 42715 36658
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 30368 22713 20461 15268 20110 18776 10348 10725 10794
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 13841 13796 11325 15666 7795 6864 13625 12290 8996

 

Super Lovers 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 151349 103388 99052 91775 99538 84046 72075 69117 60456
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 27120 18526 17749 16445 17836 15060 12915 12385 10833
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 9414 8002 6892 5708 4900 4852 4516 1970 2893
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 9236 4006 3997 5294 4320 3707 4051 5035 3729

 

Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
KissAnime – Views 130696 95502 86479 84311 83766 73774 67537 62017 47952
Nyaa – HorribleSubs – Downloads 47021 34359 31113 30333 30137 26542 24298 22312 17252
Nyaa – GJM – Downloads 7964 7343 6467 6260 5423 4492 3793 3432
Nyaa – Leopard-Raws – Downloads 21659 16110 17578 15771 13691 11076 13769 8176 8754
Nyaa – Ohys-Raws – Downloads 20472 14921 10211 13425 11998 13489 9998 13653 6912

 

Notes:

  • KissAnime series views are public knowledge, but individual episode views are not. To estimate KA’s individual episode views, I tied them proportionally to HorribleSubs (or the RAWs when HorribleSubs was unavailable/fucked-up).
  • Numbers were gathered and transcribed over a five-hour period of time this afternoon. An ideal data set would require controlling for multiple factors that I totally don’t care about and you probably don’t either.
  • I only tracked full-length series that started airing this season. Why? Because.

 

 

Conclusion #1

Fansubbing is dead.

sidesfuckingwhere

I initially started this post to prove/disprove this statement but found myself with a paltry pool of 18 fansub releases to analyze, only three of which broke an average of greater than 10,000 downloads per episode. Don’t even need ink to draw a conclusion there. Also, I’ve been harping on this since like 2013, so…

shrog

 

 

Conclusion #2

Nobody goes to Nyaa, no matter how wristy this makes Daiz.

Cry it out, big guy.

Cry it out, big guy.

For all the fuss fansubbers made about circling their wagons on Nyaa to the expense of literally everything else, it turns out putting all your eggs in one basket doesn’t help much when said basket is a fucking trash compactor.

There is not one series this season where people would prefer downloading even the big bad HorribleSubs — fansubbing’s greatest nemesis since the invention of hygiene standards — to the lazy convenience of one shitty streaming site. Worse for the future of fansubbing’s last bastion, it seems the streaming scene exists across more than just one web address.

What a shock!

What a shock!

Thing is the fansub kiddies coulda seen their irrelevance written on the wall if even one of them was literate. Shit’s a case study in inbred ignorance.

 

 

Conclusion #3

Most people have worse taste than hero-samas named Dark_Sage.

Top 5

I take it the people who like Kabaneri have just been rewatching episode 1 and pretending nothing else came after?

 

The Correct Top 5:

  1. Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu
  2. Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear
  3. Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge
  4. Anne Happy
  5. Joker Game Nothing deserves to be #5

 

 

Conclusion #4

somad

Literally everything would be better for the scene if fansubbers had crowned me king back in 1979 instead of stubbornly accepting their fate as members of a hobbyist group only ever intended to be a stop-gap till legal distribution methods could provide a feasible, cost-fair, and industry-supporting product.

Come on, a fansub review site without fansubs to review? Do you realize what a tough spot this puts me in? I’m like gonna have to work up the effort to replace the Review Summary or something.

 

Speaking of summaries, here’s where I’m at with the season (yeah, I’m actually watching shit for once):

Spoiler:

Normal Length 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
12-sai 6 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Ace Attorney Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Anne Happy 9 9 9 9 9 9
Bakuon Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Big Order 7 7 8 7 7 7
Boku no Hero Academia 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
Bungou Stray Dogs 9 8 8 7 7 7
Endride 6 5 5 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Flying Witch 8 8 8 8 8 8
Haifuri Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Hundred Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Joker Game 8 7 8 8 8 8
Kiznaiver 7 6 6 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Koutetsujou no Kabaneri 10 9 9 8 8 7 7 7
Kuma Miko – Girl Meets Bear 10 10 10 9 9 9 9 9
Kuromukuro 8 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Macross Delta 7 7 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Mayoiga 7 7 7 5 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta 8 8 8 8 8 8
Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 10 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9
Sakamoto Desu Ga 7 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Sansha Sanyou 8 8 8 8 8 7
Shounen Maid Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Seisen Cerberus 7 7 5 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Sousei no Onmyouji 8 8 8 7 6 5 Dropped N/A N/A N/A
Super Lovers Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9

 

Shorts 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
Bishoujo Yuugi Unit Crane Game Girls Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Onigiri 7 7 6 7 7 7 7 7 8
Pan de Peace 5 3 3 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Ragnastrike Angels 9 9 9 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
Space Patrol Luluco 8 8 9 7 7 7 7 7 7
Usakame 9 9 9 9 9 9 8 8
Wagamama High Spec 4 4 4 Dropped N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A

 

Pretty solid offerings so far. If Summer brings us even half the amount of quality shows this season did, anime_2016 will be in a damn good place. And I guess that’s the conclusion of this post? I dunno, I just wanna go to sleep.

Night~

Night~

 



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79 Comments

ZenMorian says:

>dropping shows you rate an 8
>continue watching shows you rate 6
Meme arrows

Sheep says:

When everyone’s a meme arrow, nobody is….. has a girlfriend

Mok_Swagger says:

>unlicensed copy of Excel
LibreOffice nigger

Dark_Sage says:

This ain’t middle school, son. That bitch shit don’t cut it.

Mok_Swagger says:

The only bitch shit around here is non-free software

KojiPro says:

Fansubs should start focusing more on BD/OVA releases and shows that don’t get subs/are picked up by netflix.

Pizza says:

I agree, look at Kuromukuro this season, all the hype died down because the first 3 episodes weren’t instantly available with subs. And then GG came out of nowhere but the damage was already done, no one cares about Kuromukuro this season.

Another victim of this is the new Magi series, almost no one is watching it.

Dark_Sage says:

Or add streaming options to Nyaa. Torrents are a hassle.

anony says:

There are torrent-based streaming solutions. No idea if they’re any good, since I am not a shit-for-brains streamfag.

Bunny says:

Trust me, undrop Crane Game, at least until the end of episode two. It will kill something deep inside you that has somehow managed to survive years of watching anime.

It’s only 7 minutes total if you skip the OPs.

Dark_Sage says:

I’m… intrigued.

Dark_Sage says:

I will never trust anyone again.

Bunny says:

Does that mean it succeeded?

Dark_Sage says:

In wasting my time, yes. Thanks. Jerk. :(

Bunny says:

Oh shit. Sorry. ‘Twas not intentional .-.

I thought the sheer arbitrariness of the ending was worth the 7 minutes, if only to see just how bad it was.

Kinda fun to see the creators just goofing off and doing whatever the hell they want with it, to me anyways. I guess it just surprised me that they went that far.

moron says:

why do you like Tonka-kun so much
it’s probably the most boring show this season, and that’s out of the 20+ other boring series

Dark_Sage says:

Cuz other than the walking trash bin that is Shiraishi, the characters are cute and their interactions are enjoyable. It’s a good show to watch socially, and effortless to pick up at any point of the day. (The faptastic reaction faces don’t hurt either.)

puddi says:

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

Terrasux says:

This pic couldn’t be more biased.
And, well, numbers are kinda biased, too.

You may not know, but nyaa doesn’t show real downloads.
In fact, they are overstated as heck (like x5 or even x10).

In short, people don’t use torrents anymore. They simply watch stuff via illegal streaming sites. Horrible probably doesn’t even have 8% of community on their site.

Dark_Sage says:

Are they fake? I could believe that, but I’d need something better than hearsay. Obviously the numbers aren’t *accurate* in the sense that each registered download is a completed episode viewing by a real person, but neither are KissAnime’s. Metrics are hard to perfect.

As far as HorribleSubs, I’m not really sure where the 8% comes from, but I would find it incredibly hard to believe they’re inflating anything on their site. And what would they inflate? The comments? Cuz I’m watching the chat box right now and it seems pretty natural.

Fyurie says:

It’s a load of shit.

Nyaa’s torrent download count is successful downloads of the .torrent file. Nothing more, nothing less.

We have no reason to pad it, especially not to the values that fansubs currently have. Wouldn’t we just choose to inflate it to the sky to fool ourselves that our counts are still amazing?

So yes, it doesn’t equate to actual viewings, same way that KissAnime’s counter(s) also only track people coming to the page, not people actually watching the video(s).

Dark_Sage says:

Thanks, Fyurie. That’s what I figured, considering the “sketchiest” shit I heard of back when I was keeping track was just groups trying to artificially inflate their own numbers by grabbing their own releases multiple times.

anony says:

It doesn’t help that other torrent sites just scrape nyaa and add a number of other trackers.

Terrasux says:

8% came from my ass but it’s true that people don’t bother with HorribleSubs. I’m positive that 2/3 of community is totally clueless about source. They just google search everything, and that’s why they still don’t understand why DBS has broken subs (illegal streaming sites just take first available release and call it a day).

Ah, and HorribleSubs… I don’t think they actually have so many followers since their chat is full of same trolls who shitpost 24/7.

Kristen says:

The fansubbing scene now is actually close to a golden stage. Anybody who wants to can download a low-quality version close to immediately after release – in the form of horriblesubs or the like. Those who want quality steps such as typesetting or karaoke can wait. Further, there are very few shows with multiple groups on it, so most groups are spending their resources on simply subbing instead of trolling.

Unfortunately, this also means that if a group stalls, it’s horrible or bust. For instance, FFF really is dying horribly, but since they’re the only group on shows, there’s no other choice but horriblesubs.

Terrasux says:

HS matters for people who watch show as it airs. I was hella disappointed when I couldn’t find any decent BD release of Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki.

Kristen says:

More than just that. There are no real decent releases of that show at all.

Welp says:

“Who cares about downloads?”
“Fansub for fun.”
“Subbing for myself.”
“I need money to run my fansub, so please donate blablabla…”
Sure…

Period says:

i don’t watch shows that aren’t fansubbed
so yeah, i actually do it for myself

Welp says:

I would rather watch raw if I can Japanese.
Translating shows for yourself is kind of…
lmao
I don’t need to explain it.

Period says:

I’m not a TL

ZerataX says:

Sakamuto-kun actually had a few episodes lousily fansubbed on masterani.me.
Don’t ask me why I know that.

bozzzzzz says:

Then I’m the last fool who searches best subs for shows I really like.
I really freak out when some groups start dragging their feet in the middle of the season. Cthuko, if you’re reading this then stop and go finish OPM.

@DS
You’re still watching Endridge? Ironically??? I couldn’t finish ep1.

moozooh says:

> Then I’m the last fool who searches best subs for shows I really like.

Definitely not the last. This is exactly the reason why I at some point ended up on this site. I have dozens of supposedly decent shows on my backlog, and even if there are multiple acceptable choices I still want to go with the best one available.

Yukon says:

Most of the people don’t know how to torrent, ya know?

Terrasux says:

Yeah, they watch shit on those cancerous, illegal streams. I would rather drop anime than turn off my adblock, lol. For example, KissAnime generates shitload of aggressive ads. Actually, it’s pain to watch anything online unless you do have CR account.

Shinny says:

The sad thing is, if fansubbers stopped nothing of value would be lost and I would probably get more out of my life.

Anonymous says:

1. People have always watched streams over downloading torrents. It’s been like this for over a decade in the fansubbing scene. This isn’t just limited to anime, either. The same thing happens with US shows. Using this metric to say fansubbing and torrenting is dead is beyond retarded because people have by and large ALWAYS streamed over torrenting shows. In fact anime downloads are extremely high compared to other things. Sites like KAT make their download numbers public, and only the extremely popular shows like Game of Thrones get DL numbers into the hundreds of thousands. HS averaging 50k for a number of shows is actually very impressive, especially given the popularity of anime.

2. In a post a few months ago (maybe over a year at this point?) you literally said one of the reasons fansubbing died is because there is no centralised entity for them. The idea was that there are too many groups and too many places to acquire subbed anime from and people preferred the convenience of HorribleSubs since it was a one stop shop for everything. Now in this post you are bashing fansubbers for all congregating to the biggest anime torrenting website? I don’t understand at all.

3. Multiple shows this season rely on fansubs since there are no professional alternatives. Until the day prosubs have every single show covered and there exists no fansub groups to improve upon their subs, fansubbing isn’t dead.

4. People flocking to the fastest and most consistent subs is nothing new. It existed even in in fansubbing’s prime. Speedsub groups always got far more downloads than higher quality groups. gg was only so popular because they subbed shows extremely fast and very consistently. They were basically the HS of the time, where the vast majority of people would download their subs and then complain about how bad they were (“made up translations”, “trolling”). It’s no surprise people watch HS over higher quality fansubs, since this trend has always existed.

Honestly, it’s just sad how you desperately bash on fansubbing and claim that you “called” its demise. It’s like you’re trying desperately to stay relevant in the scene (which you claim is dead, making it even more pathetic). “H-Hey fansub scene, remember me? I was the guy that reviewed your subs and built a very minor following doing so!”, “Hey /a/, I was totally the guy that said fansubbing would die! That was all me! R-Remember me, w-with the blog?”

Dark_Sage says:

Dear aggrieved dipshit,

1. Patently false. The fuck were you doing in 2006, cuz the streams you’re talking about were shit quality and couldn’t even be reliably viewed by most people because the internet sucked too much. On top of that, there was no central repository for animu streams, so if you wanted to watch a show, good odds were you’d have to turn to torrents. Otherwise, who the fuck would bother with the hassle?

2. There are lots of problems with fansubbing that the scene failed to address. How many posts do you want me to make that go over how badly they fucked up where most people these days don’t even know what the fuck a fansub is? What, you think the move to nyaa only was a good thing? Yeah, sure has worked out for ’em so far.

3. Macross Delta and Mukuro? Yeah, look how well that’s gone for those shows. And most of the people watching them don’t even know it was fansubbed or what a “gg” is.

4. Maybe you missed when HorribleSubs first hit the scene, but most people waited for fansubs over them. That audience was not lost accidentally.

Speedsubs tended to get more downloads, sure, but it wasn’t surprising for higher quality groups to surpass their numbers. Most groups did it for the DL e-peen back then, so if it wasn’t worthwhile, nobody would’ve gone tryhard.

5. Don’t particularly understand how you came to the conclusion that I care about what the fansub scene thinks, since every fansubber I talk to acknowledges the scene is dead and no longer even identifies with it (ignoring the few who joined within the past year or two who can’t tell the difference). Playing to an audience of corpses is a waste of time and not really my style.

As for /a/, I stopped visiting in 2010, so I can’t say I know what you’re referring to. And isn’t reddit where all the kids are these days anyway?

Anyway, you’ve wasted enough of my time. Please fix your stupidity with bleach.

Yours truly,

D_S-sama-kun

Terrasux says:

>What, you think the move to nyaa only was a good thing?

Yeah, people want to have everything in one place. Downloading movies is a hassle.

>Maybe you missed when HorribleSubs first hit the scene, but most people waited for fansubs over them. That audience was not lost accidentally.

Rips were bad quality. 480p? No way in hell.
It’s not like community cares about colors and dramas.

>Otherwise, who the fuck would bother with the hassle?

Illegal streaming is still bad. Actually, it’s getting worse and worse — shitload of ads, lags, bad video quality. Also, upload speed is somewhat slow.
Do you know why people bother with the hassle? Google search. You will hit random streaming site, not nyaa or baka bt.

>And most of the people watching them don’t even know it was fansubbed or what a “gg” is.

Sadly, same goes for Crunchyroll.

Dark_Sage says:

>
And the numbers disagree. Fansubbing is in an even worse state than before. If you think the move was good, I’d encourage you to find evidence supporting your point — if you need help, I’d recommend looking in magical christmasland.

>>
Thanks for providing support to my argument that HorribleSubs wasn’t always dominant? Not really sure what you’re going for here, but okay.

>>>
None of my non-otaku friends care about torrents at all. I even offered to grab the shows for them and they still prefer Crunchyroll. You think if Google ranked nyaa higher that everyone would flock to torrents? Please. Torrents are a timesink.

>>>>
Haven’t seen evidence of this. Where you getting your information from here?

Terrasux says:

>
Nope, it’s unrelated. Sure, we have fewer downloads here, but for different reasons. And it could be even worse without nyaa. People are lazy these days, so having everything in one place is a big plus.

>>
Np. I just don’t know why you are trying to blame fansubbers so badly. People prefer HS because streaming sites improved their quality. Furthermore, community wants to support this industry. At least part of it. You get nothing from downloading fansubs, but you do support producer with your premium account.

>>>
Experience. :(
Also, it’s easy to prove this. Just go on MAL, and check comments in Ajin thread (ep 1-2). Folks were totally clueless:
“Why it isn’t subbed?”, “Why I can’t find it on site XYZ?”, “Why subs suck so badly?”, etc.

Solaristics says:

Whether those numbers are true or not in the pics, streaming has always been the most watched and always will be (Kinda sad considering it’s inferior to downloading).

Either way, fansubbing is dying and no one can deny this. Whoever says otherwise is delusional. Less and less shows get picked up nowadays and download numbers are pretty low compared to what they were before many groups died off (This goes back to the screenshots and so on). Not to mention all the shit that doesn’t get pick up nowadays that doesn’t have anyone doing it but the cancerous subbers that think their TLs are actually good. Smh.

Terrasux says:

>(This goes back to the screenshots and so on).

SS is biased. Dark_Sage included only stalled Commie’s shows. It was intentional, I know, but still… He’s getting old.
On the other hand, DDY has about 10k downloads, and Re:Zero is stalled as well (they don’t stall as long as Commie, tho).

Dark_Sage says:

I didn’t “intentionally” include anything. That was a simple search on “Commie” done Sunday afternoon, the results of which I found rather humorous. If those are Commie’s stalled shows, then I’d have to assume all their shows are stalled, which makes your argument about as pointless as Commie is.

Terrasux says:

>then I’d have to assume all their shows are stalled

Yes, they stall basically everything atm, and you know it.
https://c.milkteafuzz.com/#/shows/airing

Dark_Sage says:

So then what was the point of your comment?

Terrasux says:

So then what was the point of your topic?
I believe, it’s called “Fansubbing by the Numbers”. Not “Stalled Commie shows by the numbers”.

Dark_Sage says:

And Commie alleges to be a fansub group. Mystery solved.

If you have a better image that sums up the content and tone of the post, I encourage you to apply for an internship.

Solaristics says:

10k is hardly jack shit for an episode 1 :S…

Terrasux says:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=813172
8.5k with 4-5 days delay is kind of good, I guess.

Kristen says:

Generally, the masses want what is fast, accessible, and have a minimum level of quality. For instance, if you think about Code Geass R2, Chihiro released a very fast (5 hours after launch) and accessible (XviD provided, along with DDL at animetake) sub. However, the quality was horrendous – worse only to Macross F. Even with that, it got 10,000 downloads within 12 hours. Yet, when gg released later in the day with acceptable quality, they got 40k.
That’s why streaming will always be king, as everyone with flash can access it, as opposed to having to install something like CCCP.

There is an exception though – which is familiar groups. Sometimes, when a group is well known, they will get higher download counts simply for being that group. For instance, Dattebayo used to release Naruto and Bleach to about 300,000 downloads a week. They released an old show that was already subbed (I think it was Dennou Coil? Can’t remember), and it got 100,000 per episode – even though the original release had only gotten about 10k per episode. While some can be contributed to RSS auto-downloads, a lot can only be contributed to the fact that some people download based off of group name.

RSS auto-downloads is the last thing I want to address. HS numbers are kind of inflated because of all the people who auto-download anything with the tag of “HorribleSubs”. For instance, their Netoge episode 1 has 80,000 downloads. Before the dawn of CR, that was what something like Gundam would get for downloads. Most downloads I had seen for a show that wasn’t Gundam, DB, or gg, was about 40,000. To double that on an ecchi show just doesn’t seem real.

Solaristics says:

Netoge’s 80k is actually believable. It’s different… Well, it was different, but it just turned into a generic pile of crap now. Episode 1 actually had me interested to keep on watching, and that was the general consensus from forums I read on, such as MAL.

RSS downloads can be filtered, but of course there’s those that just type ‘HorribleSubs’. I know I RSS feed all my shit with filters.

Kristen says:

Although there were plenty of other different and popular shows in the past before HS. For instance, Bakemonogatari was extremely popular when it aired – becoming the /a/ show of the season, having a big group (gg) on it, and being very different than anything else airing. That was about 40k.
In fact, thinking back, the most popular shows of each season that weren’t a specific fanbase (Gundam/Naruto), they all got around 40k. Geass R2, Toradora, K-On, Bakemonogatari, DtB2, DRRR, K-On!!, etc.

Terrasux says:

>To double that on an ecchi show just doesn’t seem real.

Nope, it’s easy. We’re talking about MMO here.

Lob-On says:

I’m old-school. I still watch a lot of fansubs. Then again I watch as much old anime as I do airing shows, and many of those old ones are fansubbed. Some are ONLY available as fansubs. I still DL with IRC too, for that extra layer of dust.

So obviously I’m not a typical part of the audience, but fansubbing being put in a hospice doesn’t really bother me. I actually quite like CR subs. Funi are… mostly tolerable, and at worst are still better than some chucklefuck fansub groups I could mention.

As Kristen pointed out there’s still a place for BD rips, for the fans who want to store stuff for rewatching rather than just stream-and-forget.

Terrasux says:

>As Kristen pointed out there’s still a place for BD rips, for the fans who want to store stuff for rewatching rather than just stream-and-forget.

Some people watch only BD rips. And it’s not like you have to watch everything as it airs, no matter what. I’ve just finished TLR Darkness (s1, yeah).

Gffhhff says:

Can anime fansubbers finally move on to live action movies like 8thsin did? There are still tons of movies around with no sub love at all (and those aren’t just the bad ones).

Vance says:

So based on those numbers, Dark_Sage, the only show whose numbers haven’t dropped off considerably is Re: zero, which happens to also be the only show I am watching this season. I could maybe be persuaded to start Kuma Miko, but I can’t be bothered right now. I much prefer older series to the dreck released these days.

Terrasux says:

Btw, HS downloads kinda surprised me. Looks like most people DL Twin Star Exorcists when CR video is completely fucked up. They 1080p literally looks worse than most 480p rips.

On the other hand, [Glue] release is decent. Well… this group still doesn’t have trusted, so people don’t bother with it. But it’s only reasonable choice since CR video is unwatchable.

Relena says:

>this group still doesn’t have trusted, so people don’t bother with it

I don’t understand why people think nyaa ratings mean anything. Trollsubs with green, decent straight rips with red… even the ramblings of anime fandom’s barrel-scrapings in the comments section are a more reliable measure of quality. If I’m checking through nyaa torrents, I’ll see if there are any complaints in the comments, try to gauge whether they’re too retarded to take seriously or not, and make a choice myself.

Terrasux says:

Yes, but a lot of people use their filters. You basically see only green and blue then.

Kristen says:

I don’t think many people use filters on nyaa anymore. They were useful when the policy was essentially “blue is best, green we know are real subs, white you use at your own risk, red means it’s a compatability re-encode”. But since then it’s changed so that some reds are better than greens (and debatably blues), and some groups that you can trust to be real are put as whites.

Now, you may want to argue that the rules there have never changed and it’s always been done that way, or try and justify past actions of the nyaa moderators, and that’s fine. But what has happened is a change in public perception in that the filters are pretty much useless at this point outside of pretty colors.

I just wish they would change the orangy hue of re-makes to a real red so it would match the CGi site better.

BwackNinja says:

We’re talking about the relevance of a fan distributor of a group of content that has a stigma around it even in its country of origin, where the community was built on sacrificing convenience for quality because that was the only differentiator considering it was all terribly inconvenient anyway.

I’m pretty sure that very few people care about that difference in quality anyway. If you notice a scene bleed with subtitles or typesetting and care, it’s probably because you’ve been conditioned to do so in order to get the best subs. As the minimum differentiating factor between fansubs and not, chapters are nice.

My questions for you are, why would you want fansubs to continue being relevant anyway? They lost relevance for reasons that weren’t their drop in quality – that’s the best way it could have gone. Also, what quality compromise would’ve needed to happen in order for them to continue being relevant?

(Final note: I’m pretty sure that nyaa is built more for programs to parse it than people. That’s probably a strength to the devoted audience, but alien and backwards otherwise.)

Dark_Sage says:

I sort of addressed that in #4 — it’s complicated. I miss the community that gave me some legitimately strong friendships, I miss the sheer absurdity of being able to build a niche solely out of fansub criticism, and I miss the pride the community used to have. At the same time, fuck fansubbers, the worthless cunts.

BwackNinja says:

It’s the dream. Fansubbing is a community that provided something genuinely worthwhile to each other while expanding the base of those enjoying the same thing they did. Most every other group of people who like something is at best a comfortable circlejerk that manages not to ruin the things you enjoy.

You didn’t answer my second question, but I don’t really expect that you believe you could’ve led the community to much more continued relevance. If all the groups continued working at the quantity and quality they used to, you’d actually have material to review (and for loyal readers to read) though.

Your season previews are still rather nice. It’s one of the only previews that actually involve opinion rather than empty promotion of everything out of fear that someone might get offended. Even when your opinion is wrong, your commentary is useful.

Kristen says:

What season previews? I came looking for an Aikatsu Stars preview and found nuthin!

jymmy says:

Aikatsu Stars opens by covering the traditional entering school and meeting the other main character sections over the introductory episodes. The main rival characters for the first phase are also introduced and delineated by their resemblance to different animals such as tortoise and spider. They’re nothing we haven’t seen in the franchise before, but they serve the purpose well enough.

Animation quality is fine, but it doesn’t offer the quality of sakuga we’ve seen in the past, which is a shame. CG is integrated… decently, I guess. It’s what you’ve come to expect. Nice upbeat OP and ED, and nice of them to release them on the same album.

The school setting is very well handled. It breathes character, and the magic aspect as a whole really characterises this entry and makes it stand out.

The main characters are another duo, the first we’ve really seen since Hibiki and Kanade. At the same time, the show covers them actually meeting and getting to know each other, which recalls the very start of the franchise. While there’s less growing into each other and adjusting personally and more “Mirai is just so anxious to be friends and Riko is a tsundere”, this approach also works and it’s shortsighted to criticise for not measuring up to one of the best things the series has ever accomplished, being the growth of Nagisa and Honoka’s friendship in the early-to-mid arcs.

Mofurun is ridiculously adorable, but not in an annoying way like, say, Hummy. Not as character-filled as other mascots, like Tarte, but pretty good.

Kristen says:

I didn’t know Aikatsu merged with Mahou Pretty Cure. :p

Anonymous says:

Why did you ban me?

Edit: guess you just didn’t accept my last post, lol.

ZenMorian says:

You know, for someone complaining about how you can’t do your job, you are conveniently ignoring the fansubbed shows this season by not reviewing them.

Dark_Sage says:

It’s not a job cuz I don’t get paid, but I will accept BJs for reviews.

ZenMorian says:

I seriously was considering this for a good 5 minutes despite how completely impossible it is geographically speaking, good job.

Dark_Sage says:

If you’re in Thailand I could make a trip of it.

ZenMorian says:

I get what you’re hinting at, but alas, I live in a first-world country.

Solaristics says:

Which means you’ll do 10 different show reviews next season since you did 2 the season before and 6 this season, right? :^).

Morty says:

Didn’t you hear, son? Fansubbing is dead.

anony says:

>hero-samas named Dark_Sage

D_S, ero-sama sounds better.

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