I often miss out on OVAs when they come out, so I love that I got the chance to start this one. Super funny. But who tackled it the best?
First thing I have to mention is that there are no karaoke-able songs. The ED is an instrumental. That means no WhyNot rainbows!
Second thing is that Commie went 576p where WhyNot went 480p. From what I, someone who does not encode, understand, DVDs are 480p, so Commie upscaled. Someone wanna tell me what the deal is?
English: American, no honorifics
This was well matched.
So like there’s this thing I do where I delete files when I think I’m done with them even if I might not be and I empty the trash immediately following. So now that I look at this, I’m not entirely sure whether this was typeset or in the source. And to make matters worse, I forgot to get a screencap of it in WhyNot’s release.
Every single time this popped up (which was like once a minute), it was never typeset.
Oh, something’s typeset!
Not really important, but I’d like to know what the shirts say.
Awkward phrasing, or did they miss a word?
Their purpose was to save people who had been led astray.
Passive voice chunkiness.
Someone existed whose words even those two feared.
First, I wanna know what the shirts say.
Second, that line is way too formal. It’s a landlady to her clients, not the other way around!
Are you two going to work dressed like that?
This is the translation of a joke. I don’t get it.
Oh, ouch. This line is painful to read. “Themself”? Really?
Well, like anyone in your position, you need to understand yourself.
Overall thoughts: While there weren’t any major English problems, some of the jokes didn’t come off well, and they missed over 3/4 of the typesetting.
English: American, no honorifics
90% of the time, they typeset this. Thank you!
Not as well done as Commie’s, but I’ll forgive them, since…
Missing the typesetting. Compare this line to Commie’s above, though. I think this comes off a lot better.
This could have been placed a bit higher, but it’s there.
I didn’t screencap Commie’s, but they skipped it.
The first missing sign I noticed in WhyNot’s release.
And the second. This one is actually super super funny, since:
It’s typeset once cut in half.
I don’t get it.
It may seem at first like this isn’t typeset, because…
They saved it for this screen.
Some of the shirts are typeset! Nice!
And more of them! They’re all little jokes, so I appreciate it. Thank you, WhyNot!
This felt pretty important, so I was kind of confused Commie skipped it. But WhyNot did it, and it makes me giggle.
Another shirt typeset! Also am I the only person who thinks the “at home” is redundant? Though he is referring to that Buddha’s hobby is his work, so…
Last sign of the episode!
This is long and clunky. I’d recommend what I suggested for Commie, but if you had to go with this wording, I’d scoot “existed” waaay earlier.
A person existed who was capable of uttering words that could instill fear even in them.
But it’s still long and clunky. Just not as clunky.
The way the previous part of the line was written, the “over it” is not necessary, and creates a comma splice. It was something like, “This is the Matsuda Apartments, where…”
That’s not it btw. But you get the idea.
What’s asceticism? Commie just used “reciting sutras” or something.
Strange rumors are floating around about them.
This is how WhyNot treated the joke. The “ping-pong” is literally said, btw. I don’t get it, but the alien thing kind of makes more sense?
Original wording is awkward.
You don’t need to go so far as to pay in advance.
This was treated SUPER WELL. Commie used “hand power” instead of “slight of the hand”.
Although, to be honest, guys… I think it’s just “sleight of hand”.
I believe you mean fruit, like you had for the next line.
Although I do understand if you wanted to differentiate a bit.
The “here” is redundant.
This is an appositive issue. We understand what it means because we’re used to it, but it’s still bad form.
When she says, “it’s”, the last noun she spoke to was “eyes”. So does “it’s blinding” refer to her eyes? No!
My eyes! I’m blind! I can’t see anything!
Okay, so it sounds shitty, but at least it’s grammatical, yo~!
Hometown is one word.
Myriad = an infinitely great number.
Unless you’re telling me that Japan is literally an infinite amount of gods, I think you messed up.
Huh?! D-Doesn’t that place house a myriad of gods?!
Huh?! I-Isn’t that place home to a myriad of gods?!
This is my personal nitpick, but I think this is awkward. Forgive me.
coming -> to come.
This is another appositive issue. The rice has four seasons?! Wow! I had no idea!
It has delicious rice and four seasons too.
I suppose this is correct, but I think it would sound better inverted.
Hanging up the laundry indoors is getting troublesome.
This is long and clunky and could use some improvements.
There’s nothing else left, since the ventilation fan and sink are already sparkly clean.
While correct, this would sound better as:
I wouldn’t suspect you of it, -> I’m not suspecting you of anything,
Also~ Shirt typesetting!
Having “Buddha” twice in this line is a bit poor to read, even if it is the correct translation. Get rid of one of them.
Her name is Mary. Just because they say “Maria” in Japanese doesn’t mean that’s what it is. I mean, you didn’t write Yesu for Jesus or anything, so what gives?
Overall thoughts: Bunch of typesetting omg. They handled the jokes better, but was lacking a bit in the grammar department.
tl;dr: WhyNot was better in terms of being able to enjoy the show, so go with them. Commie’s script may have been more grammatically sound, but the jokes fell flat sometimes and they missed too much typesetting.
14 thoughts on “[Commie/WhyNot] Saint Young Men – 01 (DVD)”
I really like Saint Young Men. The manga makes me laugh harder than it should, probably, and I enjoyed the first ova. Can’t wait for the second ova and the movie.
Pretty sure you’re correct on the resolution, Calyrica. From what I understand, DVDs should be anamorphic 853×480. As long as they aren’t PAL DVDs. PAL DVDs should be 576p. That’s what I was taught.
Many times the masters are in 576p (720×576). FMA’s master was in 576p and they upscaled it to 720p and 1080p for the BD.
The only raw I could find was in NTSC, which is the standard for Japan.
I confirmed, it was in NTSC format http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/bc2_bc/search_view.jsp?b=3584208
Weird. Maybe they upscaled so it could fit nicely in the master race european DVD players.
BONES masters are 1024×576, but that’s not true of all of the other studios. JC Staff, for example, is usually 1280×720.
>Maybe they upscaled so it could fit nicely in the master race european DVD players.
DVD players can’t handle H264 10bit, and PAL is 25fps (and due to the different frame rate, it causes many a problems with anime DVDs), so that’s definitely not why they encoded it at 576p.
Even if the master were 576p, the DVD would be authored at a lower resolution and blotting out detail that upscaling again won’t bring back.
And lol anamorphic 853×480
So what I’m getting is that Commie for sure upscaled?
Is there any reason for doing this?
I also think it’s funny they even with the higher resolution, they still have a smaller filesize. I know there are a number of reasons for that, and the less typesetting is a bit of a factor (shorter script, less fonts attached, etc), but that wouldn’t be nearly enough to offset the added bytes form the higher resolution, too.
“We have more p’s than the other guys. Download our release instead.”
Maybe they bought a PAL DVD of Saint Oniisan?
I don’t know, but I have to guess that there’s some reason they did. They’re not the only ones to have released 576p DVD rips and they can’t just be pulling the number 576 out of their asses.
There is no PAL DVD.
>So what I’m getting is that Commie for sure upscaled?
Yes. NTSC DVDs are 720×480.
>Is there any reason for doing this?
Not entirely sure. I heard that it has something to do with… the colors? or something.
Plus, this isn’t the first time they’ve done this. They upscaled the DVD OVA for Another and some other show that I can’t recall at the moment.
Commie tends to encode at a higher CRF, resulting in smaller file sizes, but slightly less quality.
Read this on ANE’s site (which is now showing a Goodbye* message):
Your nick prompts we share similar passion for the character, so I’ll try to answer comprehensively.
Usually your software/hardware player uses state-of-the-art (irony, read “primitive”) bicubic scaling from 720×480 to full resolution introducing halos, jaggies, blurriness of small details due to dumbness of this realtime algorithm.
However there is a proper way to scale – neural network scaling algorithm which is slooooow but you don’t have to scale all the way to 1920×1080 – it’s enough to scale to 1024×576 or 1280×720. Of course the difference might easily go unnoticed as it’s not as substantial as between real HD and SD, but it is there, and for some types of content, a lot of it.
tophf has another post here:
Technically they’re both upscaled. The source is 720×480. You might as well stick to the original resolution and get 16:9 on the .mkv container. There’s no real benefit to it, other than ‘showing off’ with your upscale. But I guess only this 480p raw is out.
Some might still prefer an upscale combined with encoding filters.. but that’s a different story.
>Slight of the hand
Sleight of hand guys…