53 thoughts on “Fansub Review: [Commie] Log Horizon (Episode 03)”

1. >Except it is still a game. Just one they’re trapped in.

   Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.41,0:01:10.52,Default,N,0000,0000,0000,,This isn’t like a game at all…
   Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.36,0:01:12.46,Default,S,0000,0000,0000,,It isn’t a game.
   Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.56,0:01:14.58,Default,S,0000,0000,0000,,This is
   Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.16,0:01:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our new reality.

   • Also:

     Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.93,0:21:51.72,Default – italics,S,0000,0000,0000,,And several hundred thousand worldwide…
     Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.72,0:21:53.99,Default – italics,,0000,0000,0000,,Were trapped in a world just like the game.

     • If you have evidence beyond the anime, splay it all out. But all you’ve posted is possible perception. The same things were said in SAO.

       • Sword Art Online was a virtual reality MMO that players were forced into playing. Elder Tale was a typical keyboard+mouse MMO, and players of it inexplicably woke up as their avatars in a world just like, but distinct from, the one in the game.

         • Everything you say is indeed as it is in the anime, which keeps alluding to these things, including all the mentions of the UI. But they are indeed easing us in, and the sense of disorientation and confusion DS is displaying seems something they are actively aiming for.

         • I thought that they mentioned about not having the minimap, bird-eye view 360 degrees vision(?) together with the bit about them being at the level cap 90 and still has to readjust to fighting with mob 60 lv below them back in ep1 clearly show that Elder Tale was never a virtual reality game.

       • http://i.imgur.com/a4MaH2r.png
         Thy got transported to the world of Elder Tales. There was never any VR, Elder Tales was your typical keyboard and mouse MMORPG. It’s intentionally made obscure because, unlike other series where it’s just used as a setting, the game thing is used as both a plot device and a mystery that the characters must solve.

         Honestly I’m more bothered by the fact that you didn’t mention CR’s (and Commie’s since they’re just an edit) questionable translation choices. They’re too simplified and filled with so much scriptwriting that they either barely get the meaning across or imply a completely different meaning.

         • So, you wanna explain to me how it isn’t a game anymore?

           • INCOMING LN SPOILERS HOPEFULLY TAGS WORK IF NOT GG.

             Spoiler:

             They basically got transported to another world that is pretty much a copy of Elder Tales, just with game stats. All the npcs are real people and so forth and so forth. Everything about the world is real except for their bodies which are just video-game enhanced.

             • Great! Do the main characters know this when they speak AND accept it as their reality instead of just another world AND do they recognize it as being completely independent of anything resembling a game?

               If so, I will amend my critique.

               • They don’t know the particular details, but they know it’s not just a game anymore. Pls it was in the first minute and a half in the first episode.

                 http://i.imgur.com/iQH13Kn.jpg
                 http://i.imgur.com/k0W5jP3.jpg

               • Are you going to still be stubborn about it and not remove that bit from your review? Even in the fourth episode the MC was talking in past tense about Elder Tale being a game. http://gyazo.com/09dd174f8cb0d63346e900cda05bab2f

                 • I would run that sentence as “When Elder Tale was just a game” like I would have run the sentence in question in this review. I think that would handle it better.

                   • But it’s between Coomie and Horriblesubs right? You really shouldn’t point one out when CR does the same and then go “oh I still recommend Horriblesubs over this”

                     That and you’ve been told numerous time they don’t think it’s just a game anymore. You may think it’s a game, and just because you watched SAO doesn’t mean the characters are thinking the same way you are. (Unless you’re translating it and they’re saying otherwise)

               • At 03:31 they talk about how it looks different from when they saw it on a monitor. It’s pretty clear they’re trapped in another world and in the preceding two episodes Shiroe explicitly says it isnt a game a anymore several times. But its amusing how you pridefully stick to your guns despite the large amount of evidence to the contrary.

                 I mean at 3:40 one of them talks about how “It wasn’t like this in the game.” which clearly differentiates their current existence from when they used to play the game.

         • So he is on the gamegrid now?

2. >Except it is still a game. Just one they’re trapped in.

   Next time, you should actually understand the plot before writing a review.

   • Enlighten me.

     • If this is some sorta LN spoiler, i’d rather not know myself.

       Btw, i’m pretty sure that everyone is watching this show just to stare at Akatsuki for 23 minutes every week. (It’s the only reason i’m watching)

       • Yeah, /a/ doing their thing to spread spoilers across the internet.

       • Not really a spoiler but more something you should’ve picked up if you don’t have the “This is VR” mindset.

         • Well ppl compare it with .hack and SAO and are stuck with the VR mindset. Whereas the best comparison of their situation would be FFTA.

     • Only thing I can think of is that the game takes place in a japan type setting. Aka the maps we saw in the game were shaped exactly like Japan. The distance was the same, but 1/2 of what it normally is to travel. Either way, Idk what this Anon is talking about.

   • It looks like a game and quacks like a game. I’m going with “It’s a game” until something happens in the anime to prove otherwise. (assuming I watch that far)

3. Oyatsu was supposed to be translating this too, but supposedly the massive typesetting in the first ep has them stalled. If they ever start releasing, there could be an alternative.

   • I’m hoping their script is worthwhile, though apparently the typesetting will be v0 quality since their normal typesetter wasn’t available to pretty it up.

4. Shiiiet. Dark Sage mentions Maplestory. Everyone dies.

5. >This should be “flavor”. Taste is a sense.

   Except “having no taste” is an idiomatic expression which, while it may not accurately describe the difference between taste and flavour, is definitely widely-used in many English-speaking countries.

   Tapped into Google, the phrase “has no taste” brings about 8.5 mill hits. While obv that includes phrases like “D_S has no taste in wallpaper”, a lot of the hits are things like “air has no taste, water has no taste.”

   I’d imagine you’ve probably used the phrase yourself too, D_S.

   • In this scene, “flavor” is the better term to use. And yes, I know the fucking phrase. Why do you think I said “Taste is a sense. Though I suppose that may confuse you since you don’t have any.” (It was play off both taste and sense, though I guess the “taste” bit wasn’t as witty.)

     • I’m not sure if that was agreeing with me or not.

       “It has no taste” = “It has no flavor”. The first is just more idiomatic than the second, but in conversation, both are perfectly valid and therefore not even worth remarking on. Whether one is “better” than the other is only an opinion as both phrases have pros and cons.

       • When complaining about food it’s more common to complain about a lack of flavor than taste. “This lacks taste.” ain’t as good as “This lacks flavor.”

         • Maybe if you’re a food/wine critic and yes, it’s the more technically correct way of saying it, but your average anime viewer would probably use taste there too.

           Look at it this way:

           >Pepsi Max’s current slogan in the US is “Maximum taste. Zero calories.”

           They use taste in the same way (because they’re using it to mean flavor. You can’t max out a sense. You wouldn’t say “Maximum nose!”) and they’re a multi-billion dollar company who employ people and throw money at them purely to make up taglines.

           I’m not saying that you should put taste instead of flavor (as I say, flavor is the more grammatical choice), but I certainly wouldn’t suggest it’s wrong.

           • “…but I certainly wouldn’t suggest it’s wrong.”
             Except it is.

             • Except it’s not.

               http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/taste?s=t

               >17. the sensation or quality as perceived by this sense; flavor.

               (The first 15 definitions are for the verb form, before anyone tries to get smart-alecky).

               And as I say, it’s the more idiomatic choice.

               • “Taste is the general word… Flavor is a characteristic taste, usually of a pleasing kind, and as of some ingredient put into the food…” from your link probably illustrates the point better?

                 “Has no flavor” sounds more like “This doesn’t have anything that tastes good in it”. “Has no taste” seems to evoke “If I close my eyes and eat it, I’ll have no idea what it is”, which seems to be more the case here. If I boil a h

                 • Boil a hat?

                 • ._. misclicked. “If I boil a hamburger, it will still taste like a hamburger, but I’m pretty sure anyone tasting it will complain it has no flavor.”

                 • Yes, that sounds about right. It seems D_S has taken that line out of the review, so I’m guessing we convinced him the line wasn’t as erroneous as he first assumed :)

                   • Correct. I still disagree in principle, but you made a valid point I couldn’t ignore.

         • https://www.google.com/search?q=it+has+no+taste&oq=it+has+no+taste&aqs=chrome..69i57.2713j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=this+lacks+taste

           https://www.google.com/search?q=it+has+no+flavor&oq=it+has+no+flavor&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.2962j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=this+lacks+flavor

           7,890,000 vs. 3,110,000 — taste wins.

6. If they worsened a CR script, why is it C and not DQ? Or was CR worse overall?

   Just curious.

   • Disqualified means they didn’t even put in enough effort to earn my disdain. Here, Commie tried and failed. But at least they tried.

     CR had the better script, which is why I said at the end of the review to go with them for this show.

7. Damedame>All

   • Damedame is trying hard to be DUWANG but are failing at it. How do you all find it funny?

     • Not him, but I found them somewhat enjoyable (after I had already seen the episode once normally). Maybe they were better if you had watched their progress in the threads.

       For me, though, funnier than the actual subs were the comments on Nyaa from people who somehow took them seriously.

       • Their release is just 100% troll. Accidentally downloaded the release and it had like 15 errors in first 5 mins.

         • http://i.imgur.com/hiqwHWH.jpg

           That goes without saying

           • Oh god. I didn’t even get to that part.

8. Rejoice, DS!
   Oyatsu decided to pick up this show too, so you get to enjoy another episode of this masterpiece. :D

9. A couple of years ago, I would never have thought I’d end up with downloads of over half the season’s shows from Horrible Subs, which is exactly my position right now. It’s a sad world when the only groups which bother with releasing a better encode and/or improved typesetting are also completely fucking incapable when it comes to the scripts.

   • I’m not a big fan of it either cuz it means I’m gonna have to quit the fansub review game sooner than later and I’m having a lot of fun with it. :(

     • better started review non-English fansub?

       • But I already review ___’s subs.

         (You may replace the blank with whichever group you want. Dark_Sage is here for you.)