Off Topic v4

Off Topic – v4 Edition

v1: http://www.crymore.net/off-topic-v1/

v2: http://www.crymore.net/off-topic-v2/

v3: http://www.crymore.net/off-topic-v3/

 

Post whatever you want. Comments will be archived every now and then so we don’t have 10,000 comments in one spot.

 

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160 Comments

Dark_Sage says:

OT 3 up. Content’s being written, I swear.

Humanity says:

Round 3!
Here we go!

Dark_Sage says:

Ah, whoops. Yeah, 4. Though we could go 3-2 ala Final Fantasy numbering.

Humanity says:

Crymore Off Topic 3-2: The Second Episode ~The Flood of Tears~

Kawwmoi says:

Zero based numbering?

Anon says:

http://i.imgur.com/GC36sd4.png
I…I just…Anime-Koi, how do you fail that hard? There’s a couple ways you could make that sentence correct English, but it’s so stilted and awful you’d be better off scrapping the whole thing. Go with “That’s hilarious, oh God my sides!” or something a high school girl might actually say instead of that steaming pile of a line they think is English.

Nova says:

I think it is not that bad.

Nova says:

Ok. After a little bit thinking, I have to admit that you were right there.

Ash says:

Unfortunately, that show has the same editor that worked on A-K’s Buddy Complex, which very frequently had horrible grammar and sentence phrasing. Also, some of their QC people can’t catch shit.

Humanity says:

Already time for another avatar change?

Dark_Sage says:

Every season. At least.

Torn says:

So is this the playground or somethin’

Dark_Sage says:

You got it. And the best part is it’s not in a school zone, so sex offenders can participate too!

Torn says:

Y-You too.

NexXKinn says:

D_S, try to see the comment section in FBI’s Mahouka 1….

Anon says:

I just checked out both IB and FFF’s site and don’t see anything particularly interesting in either comment section. What were you trying to draw attention to?

Dark_Sage says:

Same. Nothing on Nyaa either. The TokyoTosho secret chat is silent as well.

a_sh says:

It’s about Comment: strings in .ass muxed in their release. Quite entertaining.

NexXKinn says:

sorry guys, like a_sh’s said
looks like i gave false meaning :/

mini-ezo says:

The comments sections are now on fire for Date A Live S2 and Mahouka on FFF. It’s fucking hilarious.

Solaristics says:

Comment section? Let me guess, MAL?

Solaristics says:

Oh you meant FFF. Saw that earlier.

Calyrica says:

Boo.

I’m bored. Ask me anything and I will answer.

Dark_Sage says:

What’s your favorite character from a series you haven’t watched (no cheats like listing characters from games you’ve played with anime adaptations)?

Calyrica says:

How am I supposed to have a favorite character of something I haven’t seen?

There’s apparently a cute new char in the Madoka movies. Maybe I’ll pick her.

Dark_Sage says:

False. The answer is Hyuga Hinata, true heiress to the Hyuga clan, and the most underutilized ninja in Naruto (with the exception of Anko, of course).

Nova says:

How did you find yourself in fansubbing?

Calyrica says:

Doki was hiring and I wanted to fan sub. I learned later of all the other options in subbing and pursued them.

Calyrica says:

This was 2011.

Anonymous says:

How much did they pay you?

Calyrica says:

Nothing, unfortunately. And no one pays me for fansubbing now, either.

PaRaDoX says:

Fansubs pay for fansubbing?

FalseDawn says:

Fansubs don’t put meat on the table :(

Anon says:

Sure they do, simply be part of a “respectable” group such as UTW, politely and innocently ask for donations, and watch as neckbeards upon neckbeards donate. You could even make up to $4k in a few days.

PaRaDoX says:

Fuck me not! are you kidding? 4k in a few days… I guess it’s time for me to start fansubbing.

cheshyre says:

Since nobody else answered your question, I’ll do it. Fansub groups have certain costs (server, seedboxes, etc.). Sometimes, certain groups will even buy the BDs from Japan as they come out (generally, they only do this if they can’t find the BDMVs anywhere), which is pretty expensive. Still, generally speaking, the majority of the costs a group has are related to the server. So yes, they pay some, but not that much. And a lot of groups get enough donations to cover most of those costs (or if you are UTW, you get enough to cover your costs for a couple years).

PaRaDoX says:

Why UTW get so much donations?

PaRaDoX says:

*does before UTW (I guess)

Nova says:

Animefans see them as a god of fansubbing or something like that.

Rock96 says:

Because they never requested any money before actually making a point that fansubbing costs them a penny and they need something to keep churning out subs. Well, it was the second call, but hey, any other group just has people donate them every month.
And they’re not asking for donations ATM or in near future. People just make a fuss.
A link for some information. http://utw.me/2013/05/29/donations/

Kawwmoi says:

When is Dark_Sage going to put up the poll?

Calyrica says:

Fuck if I know. That man is so unreliable!

Dark_Sage says:

:X

Solaristics says:

Stop stinxing and put up the pull.

Dark_Sage says:

Uninstalling Titanfall as I type.

Dark_Sage says:

Uninstalled.

FTLTravel says:

But why though? Did you have to get rid of the 35gb of audio to make room for anime you won’t get round to reviewing?

Anon says:

Why do fansubbers/leechers use shit like “plz” all the time ; is it to try and act cool? Are they trying to be ironic but don’t realize they’re just one big cancer lump that’s being too stubborn to hurry up and kill itself.

imouto says:

anon plz

Dark_Sage says:

>is it to try and act cool?

Yes.

Jark says:

Where do babies come from?

Calyrica says:

When a man and a woman love each other very much or at least get very drunk, they sometimes take off their clothes and do the sex. This can result in a disease called “pregnancy” in women. The only known acceptable cure is called “going into labor” and the side effect is that a baby is born at the end, nine months later.

alt0 says:

What is your name?

Calyrica says:

Calyrica. Geez. Can’t you read?

alt0 says:

What is your quest?

Calyrica says:

To fansub the most and the best!

alt0 says:

Do you know the film I’m trying to refer to?

Calyrica says:

I’ve both watched the movie and seen the play. So of course I do!

Anon says:

When will D_S release that episode of Hyobu that he promised to get done this year?

Calyrica says:

That is a good fucking question.

someboredperson says:

His sageness is lazy, but doesn’t lie to us. So the 31th of December it is!

cheshyre says:

Caly, any advice for fansubbers trying to expand their skill sets and move into other roles?

Calyrica says:

1. Experiment with Aegisub. I taught myself karaoke and typesetting by fooling around with styles and tags.

2. Learn how to time. Yes, there are a lot of timers, but learning how to time makes you more effective at QC. People nowadays put so much stress on the English that they forget to check for scene bleeds. You’ll become much more sensitive to them if you actually have timed before. Not to say you won’t spot them otherwise, of course.

3. Communicate. When I was learning how to use mocha, I bugged Xythar so many times even though we weren’t technically in the same fansubbing groups. (We are now.) If you can make connections with the people in your groups or even not in your groups, you’ll have a range of opinions. I asked lyger at the beginning of last season “what do you usually use for padding on the default style?” It was a random question, but an important one.

cheshyre says:

Woah, that was quite the extensive reply. Thank you. Just curious: What did you experiment on? Did you mess around with certain releases? Or did you just try to start from scratch again?

Calyrica says:

I just tried random tag combinations, to be honest. I did karaoke styling and effects first, which meant typesetting came pretty easily. Demuxing releases didn’t help me much, because a lot of fancy karaoke is hardsubbed. There’s a lot of great stuff on YouTube that really helped me read through tag combinations and lua.

AzureHakua says:

Caly, when will we ever fansub together again?

Calyrica says:

Uhhh. I don’t know. I’m subbing more this season than last season, but I still don’t want to do more than 2 shows a season or so.

muh says:

Hyobu when?

Calyrica says:

Dark_Sage, this one is for you.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh shit. WordPress now has post counts. I’m at 6750 for this site. \o/

Dark_Sage says:

Xythar has 12,305.

Calyrica says:

Oooh how many do I have? I know I could probably look it up myself, but I’m too lazy!

Dark_Sage says:

Doesn’t show up on mobile view and it sounds like effort to click the show-in-desktop mode option.

Dark_Sage says:

…60?

Humanity says:

I probably have, like, what? 20 posts?

Dark_Sage says:

I’ll check when I get to the hotel.

Dark_Sage says:

Multiplied by 10.

Humanity says:

Wow. Sure doesn’t feel like 200 times.

csb says:

what about herkz?

Dark_Sage says:

400 under his main account.

Solaristics says:

“Main account.” Is there more we should know about?

Dark_Sage says:

WordPress seems inclined to give him multiple profiles, probably since his IP changes with every other post. All told (and by “all”, I mean what I bothered to check), it’s closer to 500.

csb says:

Hmm, that’s actually a lower number than I expected. Although with what you’ve said about his IP changing sometimes, maybe some of your most loyal and hardcore readers are just herkz in disguise.

Solaristics says:

Now I’m curious… What’s mine?

Dark_Sage says:

Nearing up on 500.

kani says:

I’m wondering about mine too. Also, up for editing Tamako Love Story? (¬‿¬)

imouto says:

Now that .moe exists, cry.moe when?

Dark_Sage says:

I don’t believe .moe domains are available for purchase yet. I’ll consider grabbing that domain for the lulz if available, but I don’t think I’ll freak out about saving $20 if someone else grabs it.

Anon says:

I have a question for the technically inclined out there. I use Avidemux to cut anime clips like this one. Unfortunately, the subs are often far off from the proper timing, which is especially evident in the typesetting seen here. I suspect this is because Avidemux uses libass, whereas most fansubbers optimize for xy-VSFilter. Does anyone know of a way to make Avidemux use xy-VSFilter, a similar program that uses it, or at the least some way to edit the subs so that they work correctly with libass?

jabashque says:

I doubt libass is the problem. Hold on while I go install Avidemux and play around with it.

jabashque says:

Yeah, for some reason, Avidemux seems to be layering libass’s output 0.75 seconds earlier than when it should appear. It isn’t libass’s fault, it’s Avidemux’s.

That being said, shifting the subtitles 0.75 seconds forward will solve the problem, but a better solution is to not use Avidemux.

Anon says:

Yeah, I looked for some option to set the delay on subs, but the only thing I could find was audio. And do you have any suggestions for other programs? The only reason I’m using this was because someone else said this would be a good option; I don’t know much about video editors.

jabashque says:

I don’t know much either, though I’d end up using Avisynth myself.

Also, you could load the .ass in Aegisub and shift there as another option.

Fuwaa says:

Does anyone else feel the urge to punch out the screen when seeing the funimation logo appear at the beginning of an episode?

Being terrible is one thing, but they act like they’re PROUD of what they do…

Dark_Sage says:

I don’t know about you, but I love the minute and a half of intro that accompanies my officially subbed anime. It’s a whole ‘nother 1.5 minutes I don’t have to think about how my father’s going to beat me when he gets back home from the bar~

bluesun says:

Whimsical translations for shows I’ll never sub anyway, Part III of ∞
-~-
I lost myself chasing my dreams deep in the forest of my heart
A spring clearer than any mirror just reflects my twisted smile
The tears I shed aren’t gold or silver
Not even a goddess would care for my ordinary tears
Chasing chasing dreams that come true
Keep chasing chasing to break your own record best yet again
Yeah, become your ideal self and let the fire in your heart burn!
Run straight through it all, you hero!
Let the fire in your heart burn!

XiaYixuan says:

Can you generally use a non-American style guide when you write in American English or does it only apply to quotation mark placements?

Dark_Sage says:

Not 100% on what you’re asking, but there are a few things that nobody cares about mixing and matching. Obviously, most spelling should be standardized to its dominant form in whatever variant of English you’re using… and you should make sure the idioms you use are consistent with the English style you’re aiming for… but you can mix grammar up pretty easily, especially since quotation marks are about the only difference.

I’d really need to see examples of what you’re talking about. I can tell you whether or not they’d be acceptable/tolerated by an American audience.

Justinnnnnn says:

Does anyone know how much money it actually costs to make an anime series? The budget is never the same and each series has its own production costs. Does anyone know the figures or pipeline of work? Any websites or links?

Nyangoro says:

Well, obviously the cost varies, and the prices have changed with the years (as you might expect), but the general range is probably between $100k and $300k per episode, seen in the link below:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05

You go below $100k an episode, and you’ve got a bare bones production on your hands. Go the other way, above $300k an episode, and that’s quite a hefty series you’re putting together. For example, look at this Kickstarter for Trigger’s second episode of Little Witch Academia:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1311401276/little-witch-academia-2

The amount they wanted to raise was $150k, but that wasn’t for the the full production of the episode. They already had a 20-minute episode planned (as can be seen on that page). That $150k was for an additional 15 minutes added to the episode. At that general rate, you can roughly figure the cost of that episode to be $350k (although I’m sure it’s not a perfect example). The original episode of LWA was budgeted at $370k, as can be seen in this link:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2013-05-21/ultra-super-pictures-a-1-shinei-studio-4c-make-anime-mirai-2014

So yeah, that’s the general cost of anime on a per episode basis. As for the pipeline of work and all that, well, that’s a decent-sized breakdown, and one that’s not all that easy to find in English. There’s part of a breakdown of the cost to produce Bamboo Blade floating around on the internet in Japanese:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/ke6LH.jpg

Crunchyroll also did a breakdown in 2011, which you’ll be able to see once they stop doing maintenance:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make

Also, here’s a bunch of shows (both anime and not, localized and not) in Japanese, the cost listed as the price to either make the first episode or OVA (in the first list only). The second and third lists are the entire production costs/budget. The lists after that… idk, they don’t seem relevant and I don’t feel like trying to translate them, lol.

Also, it should be noted that all budgets are given to the studio to produce a work. The funds don’t come from the studio itself in most cases. Originally, series were funded by TV stations for the most part. Now (post-2000s), they are funded by production committees comprised of various potential benefactors that all contribute to the collective budget for any given series.

Nyangoro says:

lol, forgot to actually put the link to the webpage after the 2nd to last paragraph.

http://alfalfa.livedoor.biz/archives/50621035.html

Justinnnnnn says:

I can’t read Japanese and I don’t think Google translate does a good job, and I don’t even know if it’s legit, but thanks man :-) ! I’ll take it.

Nyangoro says:

There’s actually a much larger post that you can’t see right now, lol. Once it’s been allowed through (because it’s so long), you’ll get a much more complete answer.

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Fuwaa says:

For anyone who thought Mahouka’s plot sucks but the magic effects are pretty cool, I recommend watching the second arc. IIRC it has the best action:holy-god-they-don’t-stop-talking ratio and if they don’t run out of budget there should be some cool stuff.

-Fair Warning- The plot might be worse than the first arc…

mini-ezo says:

If you had to include internet slang (lol/wtf/rofl/etc.) in dialogue, how would you write it?
If you can, take into consideration cases where the word is spelled out (e.g. double-you tee eff) and cases where the word is pronounced (e.g. lawl, roffle).

And I’m addressing anybody who cares enough to think about this. The more opinions, the better.

Xythar says:

I usually just write stuff the way it’s written online unless other means are funnier. Acronyms are usually just written as acronyms in subs without spelling out the sounds, after all.

Xythar says:

Also I mean initialisms, not acronyms.

Dylan says:

Am I the only one who spells out LOL instead of saying lawl?

Solaristics says:

Testing post to see if D_S killed crymore comments.

Solaristics says:

Liars, everyone of you.

Solaristics says:

every one* ( ¬‿¬)

csb says:

( ¬‿¬)

Kamica says:

Is Renderer the first non-bot in Crymore history to ever receive a perma-ban?

Dark_Sage says:

Oh, no. He didn’t get a permaban. He can still visit the site, and he can post. I just put him in akismet’s database as a spammer, so anything he posts gets auto-deleted on Crymore (and potentially other sites). The wasted effort on his part is so much more satisfying than an IP ban.

Googol says:

Good job, Sage.

mini-ezo says:

And so, Renderer had succeeded in his grand quest to make D_S and Xythar become nakamas against a common enemy.

nanayakiri says:

Do you plan to review the persona 3 movie subs? Wanted to know if it was worth it to buy the Aniplex release or not. Posted this here b/c I don’t know where else it should go.

Justinnnnnn says:

27/05/2014: Anime asspull of the century.

Dylan says:

Hey D_S, for guilty crown, should I go with commie’s original release or get the coalgirls BD release?

Dark_Sage says:

I have no idea which version has the better subs, but you’re guaranteed better visuals with the Coalgirls release, and I doubt they’d go out of their way to make their subs notably worse than Commie’s, so it’d make sense to go with the Coalgirls version.

Dylan says:

Makes sense, thanks

one way street says:

commie’s second half of GC went to shit when they switched editors and apparently also stopped any form of QC.

Dylan says:

good to know, thanks

shizurin says:

Just go with Doki for GC. I watched it from them and it was pretty good. It’s also BD and not Commie.

Xythar says:

http://8ths.in/fall-2011-fansub-comparison/
Based on 8th’s observations and other notes in the comments here, it sounds like Doki is the worst choice here.

Any release based on Funi’s translation should be fine.

shizurin says:

I don’t know how much better their script was in the final release (which I watched) but according to their site they only fixed some typos, so probably scriptwise Commie is better.
Though they both get the point across and if you don’t like the way Commie handles karaoke, there’s the more traditional karaoke that Doki does with romaji.

Dillon says:

I really like this 8th’s guy’s reviews! No insults, no shit talking, no crappy jokes. If he would just tell us which lines exactly that were “errors” and why, like D_S does. And make reviews at least after 5 eps of an anime, instead of waiting till the entire series is over.

Dark_Sage says:

Yeah, 8th is pretty fucking boring.

Xythar says:

He started adding specific reports of where the errors were in future seasons. Unfortunately, like pretty much everyone else, he’s too busy to review these days. Which is a shame since TL reviews are pretty much the only kind of fansub review that I feel has actual value beyond mere entertainment.

Hairy says:

My recommendation would be to just not watch that steaming pile of turd.

Solaristics says:

I actually enjoyed it ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ . Shit taste confirmed.

qwerty says:

Delete Inori, Shu, all of Shu’s friends, and Gai, and it would’ve been good.

Hell, just delete Shu and it would’ve been infinitely more enjoyable.

shcboomer says:

^

Anon says:

So about half of the year is gone already, where is the episode of Hyobu you promised to release this year, D_S?

Dark_Sage says:

The year ain’t over yet, is it? I still have 6 months to disappoint you~

Fuwaa says:

Obviously Dark_Sage isn’t going to review it, so I’ll ask everyone else: Is anyone worth checking out doing Date Alive season 2? My main prerequisite is being better than funi.

segfault says:

I’ve been watching FFF for Date a Live 2. I think they are doing an original translation and it has been good enough so far. Definitely better than the one episode of Funimation subs that I watched. I guess the only downside is that they can be a bit slow on releases but I think they are pretty much on track with releases now.

Fuwaa says:

I don’t mind slow since I’ll pick up batches of all the season’s anime I want to watch after the season ends. Only anime I’m watching as it airs are NGNL and Nanana.

Dark_Sage says:

Hmm, if we include my reviews as QC reports, I wonder who’s been in more groups: Caly or me.

Humanity says:

It’s time, D_S.
http://get.moe/
You know what you must do.

Dark_Sage says:

Dem landrush prices.

Humanity says:

Yep. There’s always the option waiting for a month and hoping no one takes.

Dark_Sage says:

Eh. I can come up with 50 vanity domains for moe off the top of my head. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Humanity says:

whiners.moe…

Dylan says:

How much do you pay for the current domain?

Dark_Sage says:

I don’t know. Like… $20 a year. CryCon.net was like… $15?

Dylan says:

Well a .moe wouldn’t be too much more then if the prices that came up on a few of them were accurate

Dark_Sage says:

I can think of many better ways to $40. For example, a tattoo of Naruto from some shady guy in an alley. Or a tattoo of Sasuke from the same guy. You gotta look at the opportunity cost on these things, Dylan-chan.

Dylan says:

*bows down* Please forgive my ignorance Dark_Sage-sama!

rarely_upset says:

http://puu.sh/9OcNy/d9c44028dd.png can someone kill this tag or add .cab-author-inner+p { display:none; } to the css

Dark_Sage says:

You’re gonna need to be more specific than that. There is no cab-author in the CSS, and there are quite a few areas to place that code.

FTVGirl says:

It shouldn’t matter where you add it in the CSS, then. S/he’s just wanting that empty white line to disappear, because it’s there for no reason.

rarely_upset says:

custom.css
8. Single Articless & Pages
Make a new line at the end of the section and paste in ‘.cab-author-inner+p { display:none; }’, without the quotes.

http://puu.sh/9Q5HV/92b1f9c234.png

Dark_Sage says:

Perfect, thanks. Fixed.

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