Fansub Review: [Asenshi] Kiznaiver (Episode 02)

B-Tier, Fansub Review, Spring 2016 — By on April 19, 2016 9:31 pm

This post was written by Dark_Sage. He is Dark_Sage.

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This review was written with the assumption you’ve already read my Crunchyroll post, so get on that if you haven’t already.

 

Table of Contents

Release Information

Visual Quality

Script Quality

Results

 

 

Release Information

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Spoiler:

Episode details.

Release format: 720p MKV (346 MB, 10-bit)

Japanesiness: Honorifics.

English style: American English.

Encoding details: http://pastebin.com/R9qqTimf

Speed: Quick (<48 hours)

Translation style: Crunchy edit.

 

External links.

Group website: http://asenshi.moe/

IRC channel: #[email protected]

 

 

Visual Review

Kiznaiver-Katsuhira_Pixiv-ID-9721748

Spoiler:

Karaoke.

Opening.

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Rating: N/A. Song’s in English.

 

Ending.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_22.57_[2016.04.19_16.28.43]

Webm link (TBD – I broke something on my end.)

Rating: Good. It’s simple but gets the job done without feeling lazy.

 

 

Typesetting.

[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.22_[2016.04.18_09.40.31] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.46_[2016.04.18_10.42.37] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_01.32_[2016.04.18_10.44.28] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_01.36_[2016.04.18_10.44.39] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_03.04_[2016.04.18_10.46.24] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_14.50_[2016.04.18_11.29.08] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_14.53_[2016.04.18_11.29.19] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_16.07_[2016.04.18_11.30.46] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_23.46_[2016.04.19_18.29.49] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_23.49_[2016.04.18_11.39.09] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_23.59_[2016.04.18_11.39.29]

Shit looks pretty damn nice for the most part. Not a fan of the Macking piece or the brushing bit getting covered up, but on the whole: good stuff.

 

 

Other.

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Been looking at officialsubs for so long it’s nice to see dual dialogue handled properly.

 

 

Script Review

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Spoiler:

The Issues.

Let’s go mistakes first, cuz I want to end this review on a high note.

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That’s not really knightly.

[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_04.46_[2016.04.18_10.48.53]

I’ve got a lot of hicks in the family tree but I ain’t never heard even my flag-waving uncle talk about “crawfishing”. Probably because the term means “backing out” and has nothing to do with the actual fishing of crawdads.

Trust yourself, editor-kun, but fucking verify whenever you’re using uncommon terminology.

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Humble? How is planning out which routes to take to avoid encountering dogs “humble”?

[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_17.33_[2016.04.19_19.13.00]

ie, dozo -> “Not in the slightest. Go ahead.” ?

There is such a thing as over-editing, and I think you crossed that line five syllables ago.

[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_18.32_[2016.04.18_11.33.16]

Careful about introducing errors into the script, editor-kun. Coupled with the last screen, I think you may need to ease up on the throttle just a tad.

Beyond these, there were a number of lines that contained the same mistakes I complained about in Crunchyroll’s review. Not so many that they deserved a second look here, but enough that it’s worth noting (they were also factored into the final score).

 

 

The Fixes+.

Asenshi took Crunchyroll’s bad script and brought it up to the quality it deserves. Most of these fixes are self-explanatory, so take the bulk of the commentary as the comparisons.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.04_[2016.04.18_09.39.58] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.08_[2016.04.18_09.40.10]

Turns out when dialogue naturally flows from one line to another it’s better than writing like the characters are talking to themselves.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.13_[2016.04.19_18.15.27]

Yes, this is how you appropriately describe a town (albeit a town with a stupid name).

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_00.27_[2016.04.18_09.56.43]

Paper-like, Crunchyroll? Without Asenshi we’d be stuck with absolute gibberish.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_04.19_[2016.04.19_18.22.00] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_04.23_[2016.04.19_18.21.54]

Paying attention to the episode and using a thesaurus for obvious bullshit translations are just a few of the (apparently rare in the industry) editing techniques used here.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_06.27_[2016.04.19_20.33.50]

When lines are written with grammar taken into consideration…

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From “Faito! Faito!” to… “Fight the shame!”, huh?

Love. This.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_15.19_[2016.04.19_20.35.42] [Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_15.21_[2016.04.19_20.35.48]

There we go.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_18.02_[2016.04.19_20.38.11]

Vocabulary = good.

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[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_22.00_[2016.04.19_19.28.18]

I addressed this in my Crunchyroll review, but this is a brilliant an illuminating fix.

[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 02 [08D9FB8F].mkv_snapshot_22.27_[2016.04.18_11.37.36]

Motherfucking karaoke syllable matching. Or, uhh, close to it. Anyway, I’m in.

 

All-in-all, I’m quite pleased by this effort. Looking forward to watching this show exclusively with this crew (as long as they can keep up the speedy release output.)

 

 

Results

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Watchability: Quite watchable.

Visual grade: A-

Script grade: B (I know it’s been a while, but do recall that on Crymore a ‘B’ is a good grade.)

Overall grade: B+

Crunchyroll’s version is tolerable, but you deserve better. Asenshi’s release is indisputably the best pick for Kiznaiver.

 

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86 Comments

Pat says:

Review Re:Zero by DDY, plz.

Dark_Sage says:

It’s on the list.

Akatsukin says:

Just to explain myself (since I don’t disagree), the knightly line was chosen because she only cares about Nori, and is devoting herself to her. If it was noble or something then it would imply she’s a good person in general, rather than being committed to just one person.

Someone noticed I translate songs to be singable without me telling them? That’s a first.

Dark_Sage says:

Figured the use of ‘wounded’ over ‘hurt’ in “I’m terribly afraid of being wounded” had to either be intentional or a serious overlook on someone’s part, so I did some counting sleuthing and -voila- answer found.

HikariGo says:

Interested in a potential comparison of DDY and Asenshi releases of Flying Witch, and Commie and TenchouSubs releases of Joker Game.

For every other shows it seems that they are being done by only one well-known fansub group.

Dark_Sage says:

Are either of those shows good?

HikariGo says:

Joker Game has promise after seeing the first three episodes, has some very pointed, non-subtle commentary on Japan’s role in WW2, but the characters although not yet fully fleshed out seem interesting.

Flying Witch seems to be the relaxing feel-good slice of life anime of the season, haven’t watched it yet but have heard good things.

HikariGo says:

Even ADZ have now released Flying Witch, geez there are plenty of other anime to be shared around.

Dark_Sage says:

Four options for Flying Witch? Yeah, individual reviews are not happening for that. A comparison post should hopefully suffice.

Dylan21 says:

Flying Witch seems to be a lot of people’s favourite series of the season so far (or at least one of the top) so a comparison post would be nice for it.

Dark_Sage says:

Can confirm you’ll be getting one but not until Sunday at the earliest (meeting up with Caly for Detour in a few hours, and ADZ hasn’t released their 02 yet).

Already taken a few screens in preparation for the post:

Patient0 says:

D_S likes typesetting, doesn’t he?
DDY literally typeset everything in episode 4.

Where’s the Flying Witch post D_S? I’m interested to know why you think DDY “trolled” the show. I’ve watched theirs and it’s been fine AFAICT.

Solaristics says:

You can’t be serious

Patient0 says:

Oh, you’re talking about DDY’s subtle typesetting.
I can therefore assume the script and everything else is fine.

Surely this can’t be your first DDY show. They always hide something subtle like that in every episode.

Also, are you gay? There’s a delicious Chinasu in that scene and instead you notice some minuscule text in the background.

Dark_Sage says:

It’s almost like you want to limpdick me on their release.

Kristen says:

What do you expect? Chihiro and DDY have fallen to joke sub level. I have to spend an hour per episode for Hidan no Aria AA just to remove the jokes and “fun” that Chihiro has – before any QC even takes place.

It’s funny how Chihiro/DDY and Commie have almost switched places in the past year or two. Commie you generally get a no-nonsense sub now and Chihiro/DDY are very hit or miss in terms of trolling.

Patient0 says:

No one said a damn thing about Chihiro, Kristen.

No one gives a shit that you had a falling out with the rest of Chihiro, stop trying to make everything about you.

Kristen says:

Chihiro and DDY are now the same group. They have much of the same staff, same policies, and same types of subs.

Saeval says:

Huuuh, I’m sorry? The worrisome thing is that it’s not the first time I read this, but I seriously don’t know why people think that. I think it’d be more accurate to state that DDY and GJM are the same group compared to DDY/Chihiro.

LotusGG says:

>Chihiro and DDY are now the same group.
??????????????????
on what basis can you affirm this? lol
just to give you an idea, DDY has 41 on their channel, chihiro has 23. Both have the same amount of chan bots and share 5 staff members, three counts me and two QCs.
I’m drunk and probably shouldn’t be bothering answering this, but lel why not

Kristen says:

Because one of the member, begna, happens to be extremely influential in both groups. I don’t know too much about DDY, but you should know from working in Chihiro how only a couple of people really have any pull in decisions and group culture, while the rest are treated as slaves.

begna112 says:

Dear Kristen,

I know you’re still butthurt about losing your group, but just like before you lost it, you still have no idea what you’re talking about.

As the person who tried to give you every benefit of the doubt until your attention-whorish tendencies went too far to bear, please stop trying to drag my group or Chihiro down to your level and associate them with your bad name.

The staff that DDY and Chihiro share are minimal and, barring one (which isn’t me), none of them are in a core position to drastically alter the style of the subs. And let me assure you that, the editors which are not shared at all have a much larger stake and say in the “style” of the subs.

You can’t “redeem” yourself and insinuate that it was only by your grace that Chihiro and, by extension, DDY were any good before you left because the reality is that in the entire time I have been around, you were a non-presence. You had no influence or say in the subtitles and had nothing to do with the quality of either group’s releases.

My involvement with Chihiro for the past two years has been “help with server management”. My influence extends as far as helping decide arguments about wording of a line when asked. I speak so little in Chihiro’s staff channel that most of the new guys recruited over the past year probably don’t even know who I am.

As for this group culture of slavery… Bullshit. Again, just because you want to feel like just one person decided you had to go doesn’t make you right. If and when people have a problem with how things are run, they can speak up about it and be heard. That doesn’t mean immediate change will be made because there is actual management structure, but it is taken into consideration and discussed. Like an actual business with core managers, their commitment, motivation and skillsets do set them above the rest and that’s why they have more pull on group decisions.

But that’s not to say that no one else has valued input. No one will work in a completely voluntary “slave labor” situation. That’s just ridiculous. The fact that our staff sticks around means they find the environment, the work and the people enjoyable or at least worthwhile. The fact that they kicked you out meant that you were impeding their ability to enjoy their work.

And lastly… Trolling. Neither group does any trolling or memesubs. We take what we do seriously, but that doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy it either. We don’t “localize” for the sake of itself, when we do its for specific, justified reasons; usually better writing, but I know you prefer to make it worse when possible. When we add jokes for our amusement, it tends to be inconsequential typesetting easter eggs that are often impossible to notice without being on high-alert for them or searching the script or a subs effect because it’s silly and fun. We aren’t trying to pull the wool over our viewers eyes with misleading translation or editing and we aren’t detracting from the quality of the subs.

So Kristen, can you kindly step out of the public eye for good now? And if that’s too much for you, restrict yourself to conversations about solely yourself and things you actually know which, granted, is not much.

Love,
begna112

QQwerty says:

>only a couple of people really have any pull in decisions and group culture, while the rest are treated as slaves.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Kristen says:

begna,

Please stop lying.

Love,
Kristen

Kristen says:

QQwerty,

http://pastebin.com/bSnyARqA

Ninten13 was the big translator for Chihiro at the time.

begna112 says:

All right Kristen, let’s get real then. Tell everyone my lies. List out for the world to see how I am deceiving them.

While we wait, how about a little story time and a moral?

When I joined Chihiro, you were nowhere to be found. I joined to gain some experience as I was trying to start my own group, but didn’t know where to start. Where were you? Nowhere. Not on rizon, not leading your group, not taking any responsibility. So I stepped in and in my first season lead a two cour show, Strike the Blood, which had been voted on by the members of the group. (Do slaves get to vote, I forget.)

After we finished that show and another season or two, you swept back in and tried to integrate yourself back into the group after we proved that we could and would do it without you. And lo and behold, your “leadership” on the show you picked up ended up stalling the show, made people quit and generally made everyone miserable.

Not to mention that with your return came the ridiculous bullshit posts on Crymore and elsewhere like cries for attention that quickly turned a negative eye towards the group. Thanks for that, by the way. Everyone loves being the center of the drama. Oh wait, that’s just you.

I am among those that simply couldn’t stand it and retired from the group because of you and the ridiculous bullshit you spewed in private and public, but I’m not alone. Even the best translator Chihiro has had in memory threatened to quit mid-season if you didn’t stop making the group look so bad in public. Eventually they did, though you weren’t the only reason why.

You want to know what your favorite little pastebin is? Proof of Lenmaer being a reasonable leader, which you never have been as long as I’ve been around.

She understands the value of doing meaningful work, not just doing it to appease someone’s interest. When you actually take a leadership position seriously, you have to weigh the pros and cons of your decisions and actions. So doing an original translation of a show that crunchyroll is doing is a waste: a waste of manpower, a waste of effort and a waste of time. Especially when the final product could very well be worse than the crunchyroll alternative. This is something fansubs have had to come to grips with, but you still haven’t for some reason.

A real leader takes those things into consideration when making decisions. A real manager looks at the resources available to them and makes the most of them to return the most value. And any sensible person knows that the interests of one individual can’t be allowed to compromise the interests of the group.

So please take your pathetic logs that even Ninten13 denied is representative of his thoughts on the matter and shove it.

QQwerty says:

@Kristen

And I suppose you have evidence that said mindset persists in DDY too? You are trying to claim they have the same policies, remember.

LotusGG says:

kristen pls don’t ur boot envy your fingers
your shitpost is not funny
pls shitpost funnier

Kristen says:

begna,

Very well.

Lie: “I know you’re still butthurt about losing your group”
Truth: I quit the group on July 1st, 2015, when Lenmaer threatened to have someone else encode the crappy Locodol BDs to 1080p when I wouldn’t.

Lie: “You had no influence or say in the subtitles and had nothing to do with the quality of either group’s releases.”
Truth: I was directly responsible for the quality of Locodol and Grisaia. I encoded them and fixed them as I saw fit, and managed staff for both projects. This ignores every show before you joined which I was directly responsible so.

Deceit: But that’s not to say that no one else has valued input.
Truth: While everyone voted each season on shows, the highest voted shows almost never happened. It was like a communist regime – you could vote, but your vote meant nothing.

Lie: “Neither group does any trolling or memesubs.”
Truth: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/169120

Deceit: “Where were you? Nowhere. Not on rizon, not leading your group, not taking any responsibility. So I stepped in and in my first season lead a two cour show, Strike the Blood, which had been voted on by the members of the group. (Do slaves get to vote, I forget.)”
Truth: The group had voted on Strike the Blood, continuing our policy of 1 show per season in order to avoid overworking the staff. However, Lenmaer had unilaterally picked up Golden Time, a show nobody wanted to do, and grabbed some of the fired staff to work on it for her under our name. THIS is why I left.
Since then, votes have been meaningless as the group’s choice is not done.

Lie: And lo and behold, your “leadership” on the show you picked up ended up stalling the show, made people quit and generally made everyone miserable.
Truth: Typesetting stalled the show, and because you guys insisted on doing too many projects, there was no replacement when Hybrid became slow. Further, it was your failure to take it over for the 2 week period I asked you to during the summer which caused Hybrid to get overloaded and have to deal with both that AND schoolwork at the same time.

Deceit: Even the best translator Chihiro has had in memory threatened to quit mid-season if you didn’t stop making the group look so bad in public.
Truth: S0uten threatened to quit if I released a certain show and involved his name in it, because he hated Ninten’s TL.

Deceit: “She understands the value of doing meaningful work, not just doing it to appease someone’s interest.”
Truth: See Golden Time, as well as every show The_Pretender leads.

But, I guess it’s just to be expected of you. After all, you’re the one who deceived me with your little “pig2cat is stealing donation money!” tirade in order to take control of the website and servers for yourself.

Please kindly leave me alone and let me have my opinions on sub groups in peace. After all, you’re the one focusing this on me. My posts had been about the low quality of Chihiro and DDY subs, yet you are so defensive that you think that any criticism I make insinuates “and it’s because I’m not there.”

I suppose that’s why you write stuff like:
“So if other groups use our subs for their BD release, except those to be uncorrected, missing signs and inconsistent. No way we’ll make it easy for them. ^^”
for Aria AA 12’s release post. Because you seem to think that anything I say or do involving Chihiro is some sort of direct attack due to butthurt over a firing which never happened.

Kristen says:

QQwerty: I don’t.

Ted says:

>My posts had been about the low quality of Chihiro and DDY subs, yet you are so defensive that you think that any criticism I make insinuates “and it’s because I’m not there.”

You’re a fine one to talk about quality, Kris.

>take commie script for owari
>make it shit
>rofl

Kristen says:

Oh, please tell me how Ted. I understand my OP1 styling needs fixing, but outside of that I haven’t heard any criticism on my Owari at all. I’d be glad to know what the problems are so I could look into them and fix them. :)

LotusGG says:

still not funny kristen, you can do better than that

Anon says:

Now this is autism.

begna112 says:

You “quit” because you’d already had your access removed and the group had already moved on to another staff channel because you refused to hand over founder rights to the original ones. You may not have known everyone had moved but they had.

You were a non-presence until at least my third or fourth season at Chihiro in late 2014. Only after Lenmaer and I kept the group afloat when it otherwise would have died did you return. By that time, new leadership had been established and staff tolerated you. I retired from the group soon afterwards. Regardless of before and after, you abandoned the group and everyone knew it.

Besides, you left before the season started. Golden time hadn’t started airing and it wasn’t set in stone that we’d do it. I typeset that show and I remember Lenmaer asking people if they wanted to work on it. It’s not like she did it alone, other people wanted to work on it so it wasn’t just a unilateral decision.

And you have never ever been involved with my group in any way whatsoever.

Hybrid may have stalled the show and I do remember you telling me to typeset it. But I also remember telling you no because I had work, school and my own group to deal with. If you decided that your telling me to do so would get it done and absolve you from responsibility, that’s not my fault. In my group, if someone falls behind or can’t work on a show any more, it’s the project leader’s job to fill in or find a replacement. You failed to do that. Again, I was retired, I had no hand in deciding which or how many shows Chihiro did. You have seriously misguided ideas of my influence in that group.

As for S0uten, you never heard those complaints about you. He voiced them to Lenmaer and I. I tried to respect his privacy by not mentioning him by name and I won’t post logs for the same reason but that was long before what you’re talking about. And to the point about him being willing to quit over Ninten’s TL, maybe should be a red flag to you that Lenmaer had a valid point about not doing an original translation on a show CR was doing unless it’s proven to be horrible.

It seems to me that Lenmaer and The_Pretender have found staff for every show they’ve done that was willing and/or eager to work on the shows they chose. You’re clearly not even aware of how Chihiro has picked shows in the past year or so (hint: it includes airing times, simulcasts, staff interest, staff availability and project lead interest). No one person has ultimate decision making abilities unless they plan to solo the work under the group tag. Somehow you still don’t understand that “votes” are not the most important deciding factor. Do you consider the votes of 4 editors to be equivalent to a complete team with the availability to work on it?

Furthermore, the ecchi shows T_P has lead have without a doubt been the group’s most successful in recent memory. The number of new recruits and the interest in the group that they created were definitely a good use of resources. There’s been no problem filling staff positions on those shows.

As for “trolling” you still haven’t shown any proof that either group is “trolling.” By no definition of the word could the examples you posted (both Chihiro by the way, still nothing DDY) be considered trolling. Google the definition of the word. And it doesn’t even come close to memesubs. Both of your examples are harmless typesetting easter eggs. The second one may have even been a clever use of typesetting, though I haven’t seen it and don’t know. Neither compromised the quality of the subtitles. Your standards are way off-base for what is acceptable and what isn’t. You clearly haven’t seen some of the actual memesubs lately if DDY or Chihiro’s qualify for you.

As for P2C, I never said he was stealing money, but for Christ’s sake, the guy who owned the server, the means of receiving donations, and the domain claims you’re hundreds of dollars in debt to him, won’t let you see the proof that donations haven’t been coming in, and interferes whenever someone asks about donating on the site…. It’s just suspicious. If he had been willing to let someone else in a leadership position inspect the paypal account and hold administrative abilities on the server so that very much needed maintenance and upgrades could be done, then there wouldn’t have been any problem. All I did was state the obvious when asked my opinion and nothing else. And seriously, I don’t control the servers or the website. I just help maintain them when I’m asked (and I really try to avoid being asked). So your demonized, power-hungry idea of me is completely unfounded.

Don’t try to play the victim here, Kristen. You started this. Or do you not even read what you write?

>What do you expect? Chihiro and DDY have fallen to joke sub level. …. It’s funny how Chihiro/DDY and Commie have almost switched places in the past year or two. Commie you generally get a no-nonsense sub now and Chihiro/DDY are very hit or miss in terms of trolling.

>Chihiro and DDY are now the same group. They have much of the same staff, same policies, and same types of subs.

>Because one of the member, begna, happens to be extremely influential in both groups. I don’t know too much about DDY, but you should know from working in Chihiro how only a couple of people really have any pull in decisions and group culture, while the rest are treated as slaves.

Not only did you prove that you like to talk out of your ass, but you directly implicated both my group and me. Not just as an opinionated “I like this group’s subs for XYZ show and not this other one because {reasons}.” And to be frank, I’m tired of your narcissistic, attention-whorish, uninformed shitposts on Crymore.

Now that you’ve brought it to my doorstep, I won’t leave it alone.

Kristen says:

If you had removed my access, why was I able to make a post about Grisaia no Meikyuu on the Chihiro site 30 days after I had quit, had complete access to the ftp, and complete access to the servers? Because you didn’t start making a separate staff channel or trying to disassociate yourself from me until AFTER I had decided to leave on July 1st. In fact, throughout June Lenmaer and I were talking in terms of me leading a project and catching the group up on BDs over the months of June and July.

Oh, and for more lies, about Golden Time: http://pastebin.com/5VuMruxu
Oh look, you happen to be talking in that pastebin. Looks like your little “I joined after” crap is a lie too. In fact, oh, isn’t this you from September 24th, 2013? How amusing, I thought you joined WAY into the season.

You keep lying over and over again, creating events that did not happen and telling half truths about the events which did. So, your nonsense really is garbage to me. Please kindly leave me alone to speak my mind about the crappy subs your group does, just like I do for any group which frustrates me.

Oh, by the way, I’m very glad that you decided to typeset dialogue as speech bubbles, but maybe you should spend that effort to make sure that Takachiho-san isn’t spelled Takachiko-san in some lines.

begna112 says:

When did I say I joined in the middle of the season? I joined right at the beginning of it before shows started airing and was asked if I wanted to do Golden Time. I guess you could say I joined WAY into the season right before it. There was a team ready to work on it so we did. Unfortunately I’ve lost all my 2013 logs and half of 2014 or I’d bring some up for you.

You were in the group when I joined (I never said I “joined after”), but by the time Strike the Blood aired (October 4th by the way, the day after your logs), you were gone and no one was leading it. I spent a few days asking if anyone was going to get things moving and you never showed so I took some initiative. That’s what I meant by “Where were you? Nowhere. Not on rizon, not leading your group, not taking any responsibility.” Because of that and no one finding us raws, we didn’t get episode 1 out until October 13th. Ironically, the staff on Golden Time was better and more consistent because the staff lineup was planned out beforehand. We were still trying to find people to work on Strike the Blood because—surprise!—votes for interest didn’t equate to actual ability to perform. I don’t know if I was privy to any discussion before about the beginning of that season and I don’t remember being particularly involved yet because I was so new.

By the time you had decided to “quit”, we had an entirely separate server with a new copy of the ftp set up that you had no access to so that you couldn’t sabotage anything. Like I said, it seems you didn’t know that.

I’ve also been told that Chihiro HAD to move to a new server for the site because P2C decided to shut his down, i.e. no one forcibly took control from him. How could we? He owned the domain. Since then, he’s given Lenmaer the ability to view the donations and magically the debt disappeared in a matter of a few months despite being unchanging for what was literally years. I’m not drawing any conclusions, but I’m glad he decided to do the right thing.

>Oh, by the way, I’m very glad that you decided to typeset dialogue as speech bubbles, but maybe you should spend that effort to make sure that Takachiho-san isn’t spelled Takachiko-san in some lines.

When will you get it through your head that I have nothing to do with Chihiro’s work and haven’t for almost 2 years? The last shows I actually worked on were Daimidaler and Nozaki-kun and by then I was withdrawing from the group, mostly because you returned.

Kristen says:

http://pastebin.com/ij94V5B2

October 8th. Funny, I’m saying EXACTLY WHAT I’M SAYING NOW, and heck, I even explain it directly to you.

01[18:19] So you should go do whatever you want. I’ll go ahead and watch.

My logs continue all the way until October the 13th, skip about a month, I have some in November, and then they skip all the way to the following April.

http://pastebin.com/pjHgtnJ0

Kind of funny that you made a new server and ftp to get rid of me, yet gave me the info for it.

Because, you know, you’re just making this up as you go along. Admit that you’re lying already, all right?

Fanofde4ever says:

I left before all the fun it seems. I did make it into one of Kristen’s pastebins though, so I have that going for me.

crunchyroll4lyfe says:

meanwhile everyone in DDY is too scared to talk in the staff channel lmao

begna112 says:

Great so your logs agree that you dropped out and I had to take over because you weren’t doing it? You were right when you said you’re no leader.

While I don’t know the timeline of that second logs you posted, I do know Lenmaer’s got two servers. One of them using a domain name I own and I assume that one. The ones I’ve worked on have never used that username and password combo. Sounds like the original server, honestly.

And you still haven’t had anything to say about DDY except your original fictional BS. Let’s not forget what started this all. :^)

Kristen says:

Indeed, my logs do confirm that I left because Lenmaer unilaterally picked up Golden Time, destroying the entire plan of the group to be simplistic and reliable. Yet you find it suitable to dodge the blatant lies you just told, changing your story for “you just weren’t there because you were doing other things” to “so you agree that you dropped out.” Despicable.

Just like how you said “Since then, he’s given Lenmaer the ability to view the donations and magically the debt disappeared in a matter of a few months despite being unchanging for what was literally years.” completely ignoring the fact that donations were completely passive and had maybe 1-2 events every year until I specifically started a push to raise money. It was through MY efforts that Chihiro raised hundreds of dollars to fix the debt, not “magic.” Despicable.

And I knew about the second server Lenmaer had. I also knew all I had to do was ask to get the info. I wasn’t really interested in it, so I didn’t. Again though, it doesn’t matter. Why would you plan summer projects and share ftp info with someone who you’re planning to boot? It plain doesn’t happen because you were never intending to boot me. But, keep lying. It makes you look really good.

As for DDY, both groups share the same policies, both put in the same types of Coalguys-level obtrusive trolls (which you like to pretend are just “easter eggs”), they share much of the same core staff, and they both involve you. You’re the same group at this point. Kanade would be rolling over in his grave right now if he saw what Chihiro had become.

Kristen says:

As for “You were right when you said you’re no leader.” I could go into the time period of April 2008 until September 2013 where my leadership created the longest running group – especially during our peak of October 2009-December 2011 – but I doubt you’d listen. Because you like to hear nothing except what you want to hear, and when it suits you, you change events to match your delusional opinions.

BeerWench says:

So I took the time to read EVERYTHING and reread it again. My first reaction was to write up some long rant of my own about why Kristen is full of it. But then I remembered a simple fact, namely that no amount of talking with someone so dead set on being right at all costs will ever satisfy them into even for a moment entertaining the thought of perhaps they are wrong about anything.

This isn’t even bad, if one uses this trait positively while understanding and keeping an eye on their tendencies without being controlled by them. But this is not true for here. Kristen wants to get everyone’s attention and play the “I’m so hurt, they are so bad, I’m so good/right, everyone love me and hate them” game.

Kristen, you started this discussion with:

>”What do you expect? Chihiro and DDY have fallen to joke sub level. I have to spend >an hour per episode for Hidan no Aria AA just to remove the jokes and “fun” that >Chihiro has – before any QC even takes place.

>It’s funny how Chihiro/DDY and Commie have almost switched places in the past year >or two. Commie you generally get a no-nonsense sub now and Chihiro/DDY are very hit >or miss in terms of trolling.”

Where the fuck did this even come from? This is not even hyperbole. This, this is just a full on raging delusion powered by one hell of a hate-on or asshurt.

Do you mean to say a few harmless Easter Eggs are a Commie/GG level meme scourge or that it takes you a full hour to delete one or two lines?

Or do you mean this:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/169120

OMFG an Easter Egg and some fun. I’ve OCD, I can get going crazy about little shit, but blowing up to the degree you did over something so small means either you are full of it or need help.

Regarding the P2C thing, from what was said by both of you, Begna has the better point. You just said Begna lied yada yada. You did not explain what happened or how he lied. Begna’s response was more mature and well spoken. From what he said anyone should indeed have been weary of P2C and the odd you are all in debt to him without seeing any proof of such debt. This is derived from what BOTH of you said.

You keep bringing up Golden Time, but it was completed, does this not mean people worked on it til the end?! What’s the problem? People would not work on something they did not want to work on. Or “fired staff” were brought in to work on it. Well, it must have not been all that bad. If those staffs were so bad and vile the other none fired staff would rage quite in protest. Am I wrong?

You are also misusing the voting thing from what I see. If I have a unique talent and am out voted by others, does that mean fuck me and go with the vote? Not all are equal nor is voting always good. Should we listen to and take the whole damn town’s votes when a patient is bleeding out instead of doing what the person who knows how to save her/him is telling us to do? You would seem to say let everyone with an anus vote on it.

I’ve read those logs you posted, you are just butt hurt that you were not listened to. Lenmaer made the correct choice by saving the TL effort, wasted effort on a fruitless job is just life wasted. Yes we are free to do what ever we want, but did he not ask if the group needs him to do that TL, the correct answer is NO. That was leadership, what you showed is trying to do too much and going on a pointless waste of effort.

Regarding this:

>Lie: “I know you’re still butthurt about losing your group”
Truth: I quit the group on July 1st, 2015, when Lenmaer threatened to have someone else encode the crappy Locodol BDs to 1080p when I wouldn’t.

So why did you quit? If you did not want to do it and someone else could then what is the problem? So basically you said it was either your way or no way? You could have just left the project if you felt so, no need to quit the whole group. Seems to me you are using that as an excuse and pretty much being mean spirited, controlling and a host of other things I would rather not project on you from my own experiences with dealing with people who act much like you have shown. I really assumed better of you.

Note I am only talking about those logs/things you have posted/said and were said. I am not talking or attacking all of your leadership role at Chihiro. And you are right, Chihiro was super good, and it in fact still is, it is saddening to see you use empty none fun trolls for what seems so obviously shallow and empty reasons.

Heck, I could say that back in the day when you would change and have fun with the word “Blu Ray” into “Some-Odd-Colour-Name Ray” to be just as bad a troll as what you now blame on Chihiro.

It’s sad to see something that should be fun and a relaxation to all such as fansubbing turned to this. Do we not have enough ungrateful leeches, fucking DDoS attackers and shitty DMCAs. This shit too…it’s really quite sad.

You got butt hurt, you left. End of story. Move on. What you are doing now is ridiculous, seriously, look at your starting comment, it went from that to worse.

Your behavior reminds me of some people I know iRL whom I can barely tolerate. This is the reason why I am even commenting. I am also trying hard to be nice, namely because of your past with Chihiro. But at some point calling BS on BS becomes justified no matter whose ass it comes out from. So far you’ve been only self centered, self righteous and down right full of it. Damn it, snap outta it, or go get drunk and have fun. Or if this is your idea of fun, go troll something that matters like Hillary or Trump.

You know, I give up, this is just shit posting on your part. It’s not even done very well, it’s certainly not funny, it’s too long and rather pointless. You got butt hurt, you left/got kicked from your group and you are raging at them while trolling them and playing the victim. Am I wrong? Well, this is what it looks like to me, this is what you made it look like yourself, at least here, and is why I believe you lost your group.

Thanks for all you did. Frankly it’s annoying and disheartening seeing this shitty drama. At least fight about something…oh w/e, this should not even be out in public if you ask me.

Kristen says:

Oh, how surprising. One of the biggest fans of Chihiro (and one of the only people who uses their chat box) happens to support begna’s side of the story. Definitely a neutral opinion and a voice of reason in the matter, yup yup.

Give me a break.

BeerWench says:

So what did I say wrong, give me objective reasons rather than more whining plz.

Kristen says:

You didn’t say anything wrong because your post is primarily opinions, which are biased by your inherent fanboy opinion of Chihiro. Go back to your chat box.

BeerWench says:

You seem very angry about, well, nothing really, and are trying very hard to blame people for any little thing that goes against your own wants. That’s a bad way to live life. But thank you for your answers no matter how shallow and empty. Should you decide to stop throwing a tantrum, or just throw a bigger and better one I don’t mind answering you. And BTW, I am talking to you only on behalf of myself, not on anyones side. You might want to look into that paranoia.

Anon says:

Reminder that this giant bucket of autism is what happens when you reply to whiny drama queen attention-whores like Kristen seriously instead of either making a funny comment brushing them off or just ignoring them entirely. All of you are making complete asses out of yourselves over some dumb drama about text slapped onto shitty asian cartoons.

Anon says:

Smart anon.

Fanofde4ever says:

BeerWench has joined in… I’m gonna need more popcorn.

Kristen says:

Beerwench, about paranoia, yeah, I know. I think I have some sort of clinical paranoia disorder, but I don’t feel like paying money to visit a psychologist about it. That said, it really is hard to take anything you say seriously when you are the #1 fanboy.

I’ll address a few of your points. Not all of them, as you wrote a 1.1k word essay, but a couple of the more prevalent ones.

“From what he said anyone should indeed have been weary of P2C and the odd you are all in debt to him without seeing any proof of such debt. This is derived from what BOTH of you said.”
What you’re missing in all of this is that pig2cat had been hosting our server for years. In fact, he had been doing so since July 2008. And during any sort of dark days when we had no donations come in, he still kept it up, tacking on the expected amount of debt each month. So for begna to question a fairly obvious thing when we had been having issues for years with donations, it should have been obvious to me that he was just trying to seize power. After all, he likes to claim that “booting me” had been in the works for months, so what a better way than to seize the administrative tools of the website?

“You keep bringing up Golden Time, but it was completed, does this not mean people worked on it til the end?!”
Ends don’t justify the means. Most any show when picked up can be completed because some people just like subbing and don’t care about the content. Hell, how do you think lilpri ever got done? Further, even though Golden Time was done, it required resources which could have gone to Strike the Blood. As a result, Strike the Blood became horribly stalled.
Were people miserable working on Golden Time? No. But they would have been happy working on other shows that the group selected – possibly happier – and it wouldn’t have caused the issues that it did.

“You are also misusing the voting thing from what I see.”
Popular vote did not win. It was the group voted on any show (with the exception of sequels of any show we had previously dropped), the top few were selected, and then we chose a show based off of criticality of staff involved. For instance, a TL had a lot more say than a QC.

“Lenmaer made the correct choice by saving the TL effort, wasted effort on a fruitless job is just life wasted.”
How is it fruitless? When there were people eagerly wanting to work on a show, they would have had a ton of fun working on it. It’s not a business where the goal is to make money. It’s a fansub group where the goal is to have fun. So you do what your staff wants to do, regardless of DL possibilities.

“So why did you quit? If you did not want to do it and someone else could then what is the problem?”
The main reason I quit was because of Lenmaer forcing Ninten to choose his shows from the list of funi shows. It had corrupted the group from the idea of “Let’s do shows that we want and have fun” to “Chihiro is a business and needs download counts.” The Locodol thing was an undermining of authority, and literally made me feel like a slave. Like, the fact that I had worked on it for the past year, trying to get it moving and motivating and questioning and recruiting and trying anything I could meant NOTHING. Instead, she decided to just ignore all the work I had done as a project lead while she and T_P led their own projects, and demand it released in a resolution that looked like crap. If I can’t even decide the resolution a show should be released in (and later she started even mandating the sources encoders code from), then I am just a computer to run her processes.

“Heck, I could say that back in the day when you would change and have fun with the word “Blu Ray” into “Some-Odd-Colour-Name Ray” to be just as bad a troll as what you now blame on Chihiro.”
There’s a difference between having fun on a post title, which you’ll only see if you visit the website and look for it, and corrupting the file itself which will exist for all eternity regardless of where you download it and how you look for it. It’s like saying that putting a joke on an advertisement for Hamlet is more trolling than having a clown walk on stage in the middle of Hamlet and break stuff.

LotusGG says:

The text walls are so long that I’m out of corn to pop.
Fuck that. Kristen used to be funnier with her alien fansubbers and illuminati nyaa theories back then…
RIP fun.

BeerWench says:

Thank you for that response, it was much nicer to read than your prior ones.

Honestly, I believe it is none of mine or anyone else’ not directly involved in that situations business and much less right to proclaim one side right over the other. None of us outsiders were there, we can not know for sure and therefore can not say with any certainty. But on a debate about the matter we can discuss who makes better points, but sadly silver tongue =/= truth.

Caveat given to case(s) of if anyone was actually and genuinely hurt. Of course there is much room for subjective interpretations of “hurt” but let’s not get into that BS and just say that “internet butthurt” does not count as “hurt”.
A person like that has every right to tell people of what wrongs took place.

Anyways back to topic, since this whole discussion has been started anyways, why can I not have fun with it also.

I can not help but want to reply to these first:

“about paranoia, yeah, I know. I think I have some sort of clinical paranoia disorder, but I don’t feel like paying money to visit a psychologist about it.”

Yeah, I know, the medical industry here (the U.S.) is run on squeezing the maximum amount of profits out of people while giving them the least amount of help. I myself have OCD and have been many times fed up with trying to get treatments, and I am in a position where I know what the hell I am talking about compared to more laypeople. I have, however discovered some good ways to manage and even control my own OCD. Even being able to put it to beneficial use to myself and perhaps others.

For irritating, persistent, nagging thoughts caused by less than nice encounters with people at work or generally mundane work stresses nothing is better than Online Flame Wars. The hotter and more vulgar the better. My cups of tea are Politics, Religion and starting the past few years this niche in the internet we call fansubbed anime. There is an indubitable feeling of easiness when one can let loose at another (supposedly) human being. Also adding to the above is that, if properly picked, it is always the other side that is the wrongful aggressor. This works to negate any feelings of guilt from what is basically committing verbal assault. This makes it wonderfully easy to imagine the object of your work stress being on the other side of the screen. The stress relief is wonderful twofold; a feeling of honesty when you may say and listen to such words and the above mentioned venting.
For Paranoia, this I can not recommend. Perhaps for anger management, but bare in mind it could make it worse, bot for OCD it is great.

Physical activity. Yeah you heard me, get a dog if you can, and run with him any chance you can until you can’t anymore then do it again. I guess going to the gym can work too, but the feeling of full trust and happiness from a dog beats the ass eating tar outta a bunch of gym rats any day. Why is this good? Physical activity forces your body into “action mode” your metabolism increases, your brain starts rewiring itself in such a way as to put aside feelings of stress to better deal with physical stress that the body is now experiencing. Generally your body will also start to change it’s chemistry. This can be for lower level psychological problems better than drugs and god knows infinitely better.

Drink more wine or other alcohol of choice; an equivalent to a glass of wine daily will do no harm, eat more dark chocolate; as much as you like and smoke a good cigar or cigarette; doing so once or twice a week carries less risk than breathing American big city air. (Here in DC the air is filthier than any smoking habit one may undertake.)

Sunbathing, do note I do not mean being lazy outdoors but that can work too, in the nude if possible. Aside from the fact that your skin is an organ that needs sunlight to be healthy. Sunbathing also has beneficial effects on your body chemistry. Normally felt as alleviated feelings of stress and a calmer mind. Avoid too strong UV light or for too long, I recommend in chillier weather for best results.

The best drug. No really, hear me out on this one, please! I am going to tell you of a way to get all the good effects of Heroin with none of the harmful effects. As well getting doses of Adrenaline, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Serotonin, Testosterone and many others. But also the act of taking this drug is in itself a form of exercise and is great for balancing the often chaotic body chemistry brought about by daily stresses and minor to moderate psychological disorders. The drug I am talking about? Orgasms! Multiple ones reached during one session that should be no shorter than two hours. Take no less than three, five seems to be a magic number. How often? Twice a week should be a base. A quick session with yourself should be a no less than once every two days with daily being ideal.

Switching to diet that has less or no artificial and unnecessary ingredients.
Here’s a good example of an unnecessary ingredient in a otherwise healthy product.
Vitamin D enriched milk.

Our body does need vitamin D, this is fact, but it is very good at making it itself. In fact, entire organs have dedicated functions to make it. Remember Sunbathing? Guess what, Skin + Sun = Vitamin D. The process of making vitamin D is not only healthy for your skin but is part of it’s core functions. Skin that is deprived of the ability to make vitamin D has much in common with any organ deprived of it’s natural function. An extreme but accurate example is Muscular Dystrophy, do you really want to do that to your skin?

But not only your skin, your liver and kidneys also play a vital role in your body’s vitamin D creation process. While taking vitamin D enriched food does not take away from the body’s ability to make vitamin D, it does however give you ready made vitamin D from stomach -> intestines rather than skin -> liver -> kidneys. This is important. Your body is not dumb, it does in fact regulate and monitor itself. This small change in something as vital and easily absorbed as vitamin D changes stomach and intestines functions and is an overall weakening for the body. All because one was too lazy or “modest” to expose skin to sun for 15 min a day, or wanted to be lazy.

There are other MUCH more dangerous additives, antibiotics, chemicals, ingredients and GMOs that are in our food. And they wreck havoc on our body. High Fructose Corn Syrup and sweet but sugar free and “diet and fat free” versions of food are a prime example of poisons being fed to us (in the US). I bring all this up because reducing them helped with my OCD, it may help with body chemistry induced disorders or at least can play a role in lessening them.

BeerWench says:

Back to answering and replying to your last comments.

>Oh, how surprising. One of the biggest fans of Chihiro (and one of the only people who uses their chat box)

Well, to be fair, I liked Chihiro starting from about early 09, So I guess you’re to blame for my addiction. But I was mostly silent back then. Why do I feel a bit creeped out by the part of your comment in parenthesis. And you must be the other 60~90 people in that Cbox who only stare and say nothing!!!

>You didn’t say anything wrong because your post is primarily opinions, which are biased by your inherent fanboy opinion of Chihiro. Go back to your chat box.

Well, reading your posts before the very last one, they felt much like you called mine only replace “fanboy” with “hateboy” or something.

To be very frank a part of me was hoping for some epic godzilla level flame war. But you devolved it into a civilised discussion, how evil can you be woman!

To reply to the real points of your last post. Which BTW was a joy to read compared to the last ones.

About P2C,
Paying for hosting/financing and all things having to do with the financial upkeep of a site. IMO a must have rule should be that anyone with real monetary investment should be able to see where the money is going and how much was coming in. Those that do not pay anything do not need to know anything, yet however, it is a good idea to show what the expenses are and what the income is. Personally I would not allow anything short of full transparency for everyone with full admin privileges. Or just pay the damn thing myself without ever others having to even think of money. Any fundraising must verifiably be shown to go to what it was asked for. This is just my opinion and an ideal. In real life, if it isn’t broke don’t fix it stands above everything. Further regarding this point is that without any sort of actual proof neither side can claim to be right. It’s just X said this, Y said that situation to us outsiders. If any intentional misuse did happen, shame on that person!

Committee based finances (that is the pay earned is the family’s not the earners own) are how my family survived the shit-storm the US called “Too Big to Fail” Fannie and Freddie need to be nuked and the CEOs anally violated with red hot irons then Hanged, Drawn and Quartered. Lackeys hunted down and shot on sight.

About Golden Time and Strike the Blood. I actually hate both of those shows. No one can convince me that one of them is any better than the other, both are to me insufferable crap.

>Further, even though Golden Time was done, it required resources which could have gone to Strike the Blood. As a result, Strike the Blood became horribly stalled.

Why is that important especially considering you also said:

>It’s not a business where the goal is to make money. It’s a fansub group where the goal is to have fun.

Here I can see all kinds of dissonances coming up. For example: “What is fun to whom”. I’ll allow myself to think of “fun” in my own terms. The problem is I am not a fansubber, nor can I ever see myself being one. I would rage at and troll the leechers to all hell. Likely causing way too much “drama” for “normal” people on the team. So I just don’t even dare start with that. I comment on sites, get into some flames, mostly not anymore, you are right my main foot print in the fansubbed anime world is just Chihiro’s Cbox. I have fun with the chats there. However, this is because I have ZERO responsibility there. If I was responsible for anything it would be “fun” for me to do what is my responsibility in the most efficient manner. As for what others do, I would want them to as well, but would forgive any and all “RL got in the way”. Things got stalled we will wait. I would however demand honesty, If someone does not want to do something any more and has stopped doing it that person should have the backbone to say this instead of stalling for the sake of I’ll play Warcrafts or shit instead.

So guess I’d be like what you said here:

>Most any show when picked up can be completed because some people just like subbing and don’t care about the content.

Moving on to other points.

>How is it fruitless? When there were people eagerly wanting to work on a show, they would have had a ton of fun working on it. It’s not a business where the goal is to make money. It’s a fansub group where the goal is to have fun. So you do what your staff wants to do, regardless of DL possibilities.

Well, only those people get to say if they had or did not have fun. No one else can make that decision for them.
To me order and efficiency are basic for a fun group and dirty (in all manner of the word) jokes with free speech to rant about anything and everything. A lazy group I could easily stand as long as what I had to do was getting done (if I could not, I would retire). A group where one person picks the show I would endure based on how much I enjoy time with other people there. A Politically Correct group no matter everything else I would dump like shit from orbit.

This I understand very well:

>The main reason I quit was because of Lenmaer forcing Ninten to choose his shows from the list of funi shows. It had corrupted the group from the idea of “Let’s do shows that we want and have fun” to “Chihiro is a business and needs download counts.” The Locodol thing was an undermining of authority, and literally made me feel like a slave. Like, the fact that I had worked on it for the past year, trying to get it moving and motivating and questioning and recruiting and trying anything I could meant NOTHING. Instead, she decided to just ignore all the work I had done as a project lead while she and T_P led their own projects, and demand it released in a resolution that looked like crap. If I can’t even decide the resolution a show should be released in (and later she started even mandating the sources encoders code from), then I am just a computer to run her processes.

BeerWench says:

In RL I am often in a position where instead of doing what is best for the patient or what is actually right for another human being I must be a greedy bastard’s hired gun while also trying to get a “100% customer satisfaction feedback”. How in the fuck can I, based on orders from the top and policies I have no power over, tell a patient that we won’t help them and get a “you did a wonderful job for me” from that same person I was just forced to send on a death march? And then it is my fault for the policies that I was forced myself to follow. I am supposed to be helping people. Instead I deny them care or have them accept bankruptcy while being a scapegoat to the ones that keep this in effect. At least the actual Nazis were not hypocrites unlike the American medical system.

You are right, in a position where I am voluntary I would not accept feeling like a slave. I do, however, also believe that “It is who is with the responsibility is with the torment”. This to what you said above means if I was the lead I would do things my way, a suggestion is fine but down right ordering from below is not. But If I went to do for another who is the lead then, yep, I’m that person’s computer for this. The only question is do I want to be? Is that person someone fun with whom I want to be with or not. This only you can answer. And I think you did.

It’s clear that a split happened in Chihiro. You have made your choice about as to how you were wronged or how you wronged others. From reading your points of view it is clear how you feel. The only question is how much do you still care about Chihiro. By “care” I mean in any none zero sense. To hate something one must be concerned with it AKA “care”. So at least enough to write long rants (which I do just for fun).

Next question I’d ask is how much everyone actually wanted to be mean to each other or was there any baggage on anyone’s side. Back when I was more into online gaming I did at times bring stress from RL into game guild/clan this caused situations like the one here. I raged at “online friends” but secretly wanted them back but was too proud to admit my wrong doings or just wanted the other person to see my point of view while not seeing theirs. Needless to say I quit online gaming because of such situations. Perhaps something else was at play that triggered this situation and made other things a scapegoat for itself. This of course is just speculation on my part. But perhaps people are taking out feelings here on other people that have their roots in other places that they can not as easily take them out on. Perhaps the staff at Chihiro indeed ruined it from what it was or perhaps you yourself had a change of personality or attitude and do not see or want to see it.

I base some of this on:

>The main reason I quit was because of Lenmaer forcing Ninten to choose his shows from the list of funi shows

From the logs you posted it seemed like you both were trying to force him to do something with him not saying much of anything at all as to what he wants or does not want to do. I saw it as this:

Ninten = I don’t really care but I’ll do as you say as long as my time restraint conditions are met.

Lenmaer = Pragmatic, all things considered, go do something better then sit in front of the PC subbing anime.

Kristen = Idealistic, but you can sub this anime, it’ll be really fun!

Ironically enough I saw it as you both caring about the group.
With Lenmaer trying to keep it from collapsing from the outside in. Like: “no one care, no one downloads, no one joins = group dead”
You on the other hand more worried about the inside out version Like: “We must sub what we want (I actually agree with this but it was Ninten’s ultimate choice and he didn’t really seem to care that much) subbing is fun”

This reminded me of many times in games the people in charge of guilds or what not fail to look past the game. “This game IS fun you WILL have fun doing this” VS go do better things, they do exist, and you doing this or not doing this will in the end change nothing for us.

Kristen says:

Health stuff – A lot of the stuff you’re suggesting I already do, though I can’t have a dog (have a huge phobia of them), and I can’t drink alcohol or smoke (very addictive personality).

P2C – There was somebody able to audit p2c at any time. Me. I continually received reports on each and every donation and expense at any time. And begna and Lenmaer knew this, yet they decided to accuse him of foul play.

StB/GT – It is important because the show the group selected and wanted to work on was stalled by the show only 1 person wanted to work on. Towards the end people grew more inclined to work on GT than StB because it was a better show, but we had a number of other alternatives that were better than both of them and were higher voted.

Fun: Nothing to say here.

Locodol: Thing is, Lenmaer was working for me, not the other way around. As a leader, I have the authority to make decisions and manage staff. Undermining my authority and forcing me to be another computer in her farm was something I wasn’t willing to do. So I left. Simple as that.

For Ninten: The stuff I posted to Lenmaer was the important stuff. http://pastebin.com/vnJ4DzDR was the full conversation I had with him. I didn’t give him a list of shows to choose from, I didn’t lead him one way or another. I simply asked him what he wanted to do, and went from there.

Kristen says:

Also, I love how Ninten saying “Yeah, it’s not something I want but I’m in it for practice” in the Chihiro staff channel – where he is more likely to not disagree in the hostile environment they created – is interpreted as “I WANTED TO DO IT!” lol

Fanofde4ever says:

So you are still watching chat. I was curious. You could join in the conversation. Can’t speak for anybody else, but I wouldn’t mind.

Kristen says:

That chatbox and comments are more censored than North Korean television.

Fanofde4ever says:

Not really. I’m a mod in the chat, and still an admin on the site. While I don’t make a habit of looking to see what’s been deleted I only recall seeing 1 comment deleted and it wasn’t yours. Can’t say what would happen if an argument broke out in either though.

BeerWench says:

I actually wrote all those last rants as one big one. Took 45min, but posting them is taking longer then writing them did, much longer. Thanks for the replies. I still have the last part but CM not letting me post…AMERICANS!

jymmy says:

Nice review, but the proportion of your readership which enjoys seeing excoriation of comma splice writers is not yet zero.

HayChew Tsang says:

Dude, you didnt spot the horrendous english this sub group uses?? XD like when Kacchon says “its been a while”, Asenshi uses “its been a bit”. I’m like wtf….

Terrasux says:

>What do you expect? Chihiro and DDY have fallen to joke sub level.

Said pathetic subber who doesn’t even QC his own scripts. Jesus, you can’t even shift subs properly. Just how bad you are, Kristen boy? Coalgirls is cancer.

Kristen says:

Hm, butthurt Chihiro staff member, I take it?

Terrasux says:

Nope. I just don’t like bloats, broken timings and bad edits.
Well, what to expect? Kristen doesn’t even know his own gender.

Kristen says:

Key key

Chitoge says:

lmao look at this nerd using a girl name on the internet when hes a guy!!

hehe xd

Squiggy says:

Wow you people have issues.

Anon says:

Squiggy :DDDD

torn says:

Why the fuck is this comments section drowned with seas of tl;dr completely unrelated to the review

Anon says:

$torn :DDDDDDD

Terrasux says:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=810098
>Between Hatsuyuki, Kami and a random guy with mod friends on Nyaa, hmmmmm.
To the Crymo(re)bile!

D_S, we’re all hyped for your half-assed review.

Ephemere says:

ikr can we just jerk it to my TS instead?

Solaristics says:

Yes<3

Patient0 says:

I guess D_S must have been basking in a post orgasmic glow at the title screen TS for him to think the rest was “pretty damn nice”. Either that, or his standards have dropped to rock-bottom because he’s been watching too many Funimation rips.
Because honestly, aside from the titlescreen TS, the rest of the TS has font matching ranging from meh to crap. Not to mention the varying dubiousness of your color matching.

No sir, I will not jerk-it to something that you’ve put so little care and effort into.
I will fondle my gonads for 5 seconds at the titlescreen TS, as that alone is actually not all that bad, then i’ll get myself checked for the inevitable testicle cancer the rest of your hackjob caused.

Ephemere says:

clearly TS.lua needs updating. ill go bug line0 about that

LotusGG says:

because here’s where kristen decided to attack without sound reason people that then retaliated

Glob says:

I dunno, their subs are pretty shitty. They’re not conscientious and they seem to have little more than contempt for both the shows and the viewers. That’s sound enough reason to attack them on Crymore.

inb4 “b-b-b-b-b-but muh fun”

Anon says:

So this is what happens when Commie spends a season dead.

Not complaining, it’s rather refreshing.

YukinoAi says:

After reading this, I’ve realized I know very little about decent editing. There are timing guides (Doki/Whynot) and typesetting guides that are Anime-sub focused. Are there any guides for editing that people know of or perhaps a list of principles to keep in mind?

moozooh says:

You need to know the target language exceptionally well and, more importantly, feel it (which in virtually all cases dictates being its native speaker). You need to be observant and have good memory to keep in mind the differences between the way people of different social circles, education, working background, and subcultures speak the same language, as these differences often sum up to such an extent that the language stays the same in name only. If you aren’t able to believably mimic any of those so that the relevant people see that and confirm this is how they talk, you have no business in editing—at least not for the next several years.

It really isn’t something that can be summarized into a checklist or learned in a week, which is why there is no guide, and probably will never be any. To be a good fiction editor you need a helluva lot of experience first and foremost, be knowledgeable about relevant subjects, read a lot of well-written books from different cultures and time periods, and comprehend their language—and there’s absolutely no way to skip a significant portion of that and still be good (which is why actually good professional editors are extremely fucking rare in general, not just among fansubbers).

I sometimes take editing jobs for nonfiction texts, and even without having to look out for stylistic consistency it’s already a very demanding job. It’s pretty fun, though, and having a good mentor works wonders for your professional growth.

Anonymous says:

I think if we can take anything from all this drama is that both females and transpeople make terrible leaders for fansubbing groups.

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