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488 Comments

Dark_Sage says:

All right, new OT up.

Comment editing is now enabled (I think) feel free to test it out and let me know everything I broke in the process of implementing it.

PP says:

This isn’t a review.

Really.

Timer doesn’t stop when you’re editing by the way, doesn’t really matter but yeah.

Fyurie says:

Wow, my scroll wheel has no purpose now. D_S pls.

PP says:

Oh and if you’re editing and the time runs out it just closes without even saving it.
Not sure how this works or how much control you’ve over it but just pointing it out.

Dark_Sage says:

I mean, I can edit the plugin’s data, but I dunno how much I can modify without destroying the site.

http://pastebin.com/xMtpZ8bA

Googol says:

Let me test the editing…

…And it’s working.

Sage-kun, you are the best lol

Solaristics says:

Editing my own comments? Based sage.

LotusGG says:

Is this a review?

qwerty says:

Comment editing? Let’s try it out!

It works! =O

Nythius says:

Everything Anime-related getting DDoS’d, yet Crymore still survives.

Crymore confirmed best anime site (or so shitty nobody cares about it, lel).

But seriously, giff Nyaa back :[

PP says:

More like no-as-shit, hue.

LotusGG says:

Maybe Sagey made the hackers cry.

Dark_Sage says:

What if Crymore was hacked from the start and we’ve just been imagining the fansub drama all along?

LotusGG says:

Then I need therapy.

Humanity says:

Wondering when we were gonna get another comment wipe.
But the ability to edit my posts? <3 D_S

Dark_Sage says:

<3

As a note, I'll still make any edits that people want, just in case y'all read over your posts after the timer's gone and wanna change something.

Anonymous says:

ETA on a review, D_S? ;__;

Anonymous says:

hi where’s the dram?

Anon says:

No new anniemays to review?

Review your own reviews.

Nythius says:

“I wasn’t being sarcastic enough on this review and the anime was shit anyway – Disqualified”
or
“This review contains Yuno pics – A+”

Googol says:

TT is down too, now?

Argon says:

It’s still up, but ridiculously slow.

Anonymous says:

What’ll it take to revive D_S?

Dark_Sage says:

Revival in progress.

LotusGG says:

What the actual fuck is dat quality
http://prntscr.com/4kr2sl

sjoe says:

You think that was bad?
http://unanimated.xtreemhost.com/ts/ts-examples.htm
Have fun!
Edit – Derp. This was supposed to be a reply to LotusGG. D_S pls fix.

Dark_Sage says:

Don’t really think I can fix it. I mean, I have admin access, sure, but this kinda fix would require me modifying files I am not prepared to break. Gomenz. :<

sjoe says:

Ah, okay. Just need to contain my OCD.

Kristen says:

So it seems Nyaa is down again.

ETA until all the people who swore off of Tosho before this season start running back there because their precious downloads are worth more than their principles? Again?

Nevreen says:

Of anyone I know in the fansubbing scene, I think you care the most about download counts, so I wouldn’t go around throwing stones. The whole Daiz manifesto thing is retarded, but TT sucks and all the torrents on there redirect to Nyaa anyway.

Kristen says:

Really? Surprised you feel that way when I run a BD group that gets a couple hundred downloads per show.

PP says:

I don’t get why you’re against Nyaa so much, Nyaa and Tosho and pretty much the same thing, Nyaa just looks nicer and Tosho directs to Nyaa or somewhere else half of the time, if Tosho happened to go down there’s literally nothing that you could do about it so I don’t see how Nyaa is the lesser one because everything is gonne when it goes down.

furzee says:

He’s buttmad he never got an A+ on Nyaa.

Kristen says:

Except I have.

Kristen says:

PP, it’s not that I have anything against Nyaa. I have stuff against the people who are moderators in Nyaa that are trying to control the fansub scene.

PP says:

So you’re one of those people who will settle for a worst product because you don’t like the people who have the best one? Eventhough it doesn’t really matter to you since you’re not paying anything to them or getting hurt/being affected by it in any way, I don’t like saying it but if you don’t like it you can leave, but don’t come with the “hey guys, what about them Toshos?” bullshit everytime. I see your point if you mean it’s bad that they have a bunch of websites all in the same server just asking to get DDoS’d but Tosho is not a better website because it doesn’t have colors.
All I’ve been seeing from you lately is “they’re biased because they think their work is better than mine” but I may just be overlooking this, I’m just a leecher anyway, but you’re just as much of a leecher as me, figuratively anyway, if you truly don’t care about download counts then there’s nothing for you to worry about as long as it doesn’t get in the way of your work.

Kristen says:

I like Tosho better as a site than nyaa. It allows for better searches, it’s easier on the eyes without all the flashy colors, it’s more neutral in its presentation, has a trending list, hosts all groups – major and minor, doesn’t have any major groups banned, provides magnet links, has less obtrusive ads, and doesn’t have comments from staff members insulting things you or someone else have submitted to it. So no, I don’t think it’s a worse product.
I believe nyaa is a fine product in its own right. It’s as good as something like anirena or piratebay. I think most of its moderators are a joke though.

Nevreen says:

I don’t think Doki counts as a major group.

Also, TT is eyecancer. I’m not sure how that’s “easier on the eyes” than anything.

Dark_Sage says:

FYI, Doki gets more hits than any other fansub group. …unless you consider the Nyaa circlejerk to be a group in and of itself.

Nevreen says:

Hadena used to get a lot of hits too.

Dark_Sage says:

I wasn’t using hits as a barometer of quality; just letting you know they’re still quite relevant even if they’re out of sight out of mind for most fansubbers.

Kristen says:

So did Dattebayo. Typically they would get about 13 million downloads a season. They also would release h.264 in a .avi container.

Your argument really is quite feeble. It’s like arguing that McDonald’s is not a major company in the food business. It doesn’t matter what a subjective few people think of it. It matters how many people are interested in it.

ItsMe says:

WOAH HEY THERE
I think you almost said that download counts matter.

Nevreen says:

Doki, the McDonald’s of fansubbing.

Kristen says:

@ItsMe – Download counts are one way to tell if a group is a major player in the fansub scene. If a lot of people download you, you are a major player.

Some people, like Commie, will do anything they can to keep these counts high and do stuff like abandon their principles and release on tosho, release crunchyrips with minimal to no editing, and/or sub shows they really have no interest in.

Some groups, like Dattebayo, will get high download counts and be like “They like us, so we’ll just keep doing what we want”.

Some groups, like CGi, don’t care about download counts and do whatever the hell they want, even if it is something like prioritizing White Album 2 over Monogatari S2 and Railgun S.

PP says:

Some groups, like Dattebayo, will get high download counts and be like “They like us, so we’ll just keep doing what we want”.

Some groups, like CGi, don’t care about download counts and do whatever the hell they want, even if it is something like prioritizing White Album 2 over Monogatari S2 and Railgun S.

Read what you just said.

Nevreen says:

You’re so delusional I’m not sure if it’s more amusing or sad. The only time people sub things they’re not interested in is when they get roped into it by someone else who is interested.

>sub shows they really have no interest in.

Are you still mad about Sailor Moon? Because at the very least, Xythar cares about the show. I watch it with him every episode after Commie’s released it. Why would he bother doing that if he didn’t like the show? (Unless he predicted you would call him out on it and is using this alibi just to prove you wrong! omg conspiracy unveiled)

>we’ll just keep doing what we want

This is literally every fansub group.

Kristen says:

“Delusional” is a word that seems to be pulled out more and more against me. Trust me, I’ve thought for YEARS now whether my beliefs are the product of paranoia created from Jaka forming CoalGuys to sub everything Chihiro did (but faster), or if I was legit about what I was doing. But every time I start to doubt myself, it’s funny how something always happens to justify my thoughts.
For instance:
1. Commie suddenly decides to sub Tales of Vesperia a year after it comes out with a widely approved Chihiro sub.
2. Commie forces brainchild to quit Chihiro.
3. Daiz releases 2 episodes of Kanamemo DVD after the CGi version is released and argued for on bakabt.
4. Commie picks up DokiDoki Precure the year after Chihiro got into the scene of Precure.
5. Commie picks up Nisekoi BDs when there was already an acceptable release using their subs (coldhell), and after it became apparent that CGi would be a major player. Note that they haven’t released anything in months in this series but probably will in like 2 days because I’m writing this.
6. FFF picks up Locodol because “they liked episode 1”, announcing so after Chihiro had released the first episode. Also note that episode 1 was terrible in my honest opinion.

And there are plenty more examples of things that fansub groups have done that could logically be explained as an attempted attack on Chihiro or CGi, or tried to reason away. But how many excuses do you need?

It’s just funny though how things have spiraled out of control. In May, I was totally ready to throw in the towel, admit I was wrong about everything, and make amends. I offered Monogatari to Nyaa only to get it classified in the same vein as Minimkv and Deadfish. Note that I did try to appeal this and discuss it with Nyaa, but he chose to ignore me. But even then I was ready to think I was just being paranoid until I saw that quote from archdeco.

Honestly, if you think that the cartel groups don’t give a crap about the non-cartel groups, you’re kidding yourself.

Nevreen says:

1. How many years ago was this? And oversubbing happens all the time. Just because you release something and someone else does so as well later does not mean they’re out to get you.
2. That was RHE autism demanding that all Commie devs be exclusive to Commie. Had nothing to do with Chihiro specifically. This has not been the case for some time because people told RHE to fuck off.
3. I have no idea what this is is about, but that just sounds like Daiz being Daiz.
4. God forbid someone pick up a show a year after Chihiro? If you seriously think Commie did this to steal downloads from you, then I don’t even.
5. Commie BDs almost always take forever. It’s not a conspiracy when a group decides to do a BD release of their TV script wtf
6. Liking the first episode of a show is a legit reason to pick it up. I know the people working on it at FFF, and none of them except for archdeco probably really know who you are.

I don’t see a conspiracy here. I just see people doing whatever the hell they want to do, which is something you praised as being A-OK since you do it in CGi.

Also, none of what you said is really relevant to the rest of my previous post.

Kristen says:

I had no reason to respond to any other part of your post as you had attempted to discredit everything I said by calling me delusional.

Though the fact that you believe there is an excuse for every single incident of a suspicious release or action, then I really have to believe that you are the delusional one, not me.

PP says:

Look Kristen, I understand how you feel but seriously, Nyaa isn’t stopping anyone from downloading your releases, honestly from how you tell things it seems like they are just a bunch of bullies who laugh at everything you do and release the same shows so people don’t download your release (and that might or might not be true but stop making it look like you’re in a war against Nyaa all by yourself and that everyone is out to get you), you might not care about download counts but it sure looks like you do given how badly you want Nyaa to recognize your work, here is a tip: keep doing what you do and stop caring about wether you get A+ or not, because, trust me on this, they won’t like you more if you keep making yourself look like the victim for everything. The leechers who care about quality know who they should download and it’s not the fact that a torrent is A+ that will change their mind, I imagine that’s the people you care about since you don’t care about download numbers so just keep putting out quality content as you see fit and look away from everything else, you’ll get less grey hairs.

Nevreen says:

“You have an explanation for all of my conspiracy theories, so you must be delusional.”

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Kristen says:

PP, I rarely ever submit anything to Nyaa. I didn’t for years. Monogatari S2 I submitted as an olive branch that got spat on because I thought I was wrong, and Usagi I submitted for more evidence about the Nyaa bias. Do you see my Nisekoi, Usagi 3-6, any Monogatari, Inari, White Album 2, Gundam Unicorn, Ookami-san, Princess Mononoke, Madoka Movie, Porco Rosso, Oreimo S2, or Railgun S on there (All done this year, most which have a legit argument for being the best quality of their respective series)?

Look, if I cared about A+, I’d have actually submitted my stuff.

HyakuPercent says:

That doesn’t matter if groups are doing BDs with their own scripts.

The group(s) that got blue for the TV series will be granted blue on their BDs.

LotusGG says:

So this ruckus is all about colors?

Anonymous says:

Is 5 even a point? Commie doing BDs, oh no! Just the other day you were going on about how Cartel groups never do BDs because “they don’t care about the shows”, and so when one does do a BD it’s to spite you? LOL

Kristen says:

Anon, look at the shows Commie does BD of since I stopped playing catchup and started doing regular shows.

Yowamushi Pedal – This one I believe they legitimately like. I never said that cartel groups don’t like any show they do, I said I believe they don’t like many of the shows they do.

Monogatari S2 – They didn’t like Nisemonogatari enough to do the BD, so I see no reason to believe they are doing this because they like it. I could buy that they’re either doing it because at the time they started they were the only group doing it or having plans to do it, or because they thought I was going to do it even though I had dropped it.

Nisekoi – Released months late after coldhell had released a fine version using their subs. Pretty much released as soon as it became obvious that CGi would be a big player in the scene of Nisekoi. Had they released soon after the initial release I could buy that it isn’t a targeted release, but the huge delay makes it super obvious exactly what they were doing.

The problem is that you think in extremist terms. Commie does have shows they enjoy. Free, Bicycle show, Silver spoon, etc. But most of their crap is just done for downloads, and it is really easy to tell based off of the quality of the result compared to something they actually enjoy.

Dark_Sage says:

They just copy/pasted the Crunchy scripts for those shows. Maybe they do better work when they hate a series.

Anonymous says:

So what? You clearly do things for downloads as well, otherwise you wouldn’t care if they’re doing the same shows as you. Stop being such a fucking hypocrite.

Kristen says:

Anon, stop dodging the facts. This is about what Commie does, not what I do. I’ll talk to you about what I do when you address what they do.

Anonymous says:

Despite hating Commie, their subs, and almost all their members, I believe they did those BDs because it would be good for their downloads, not to spite you.

My questions is what’s wrong with them being after downloads? You are clearly after downloads, too.

ar says:

In 2014 we sub for uploads.

Kristen says:

Anonymous, look at what I said at the very start of this comment stack. There is nothing wrong with a group looking for downloads if that is their purpose. More power to them. But, just like crunchyroll, I believe that people doing shows for profit or downloads leads to very bland subs with very little love placed into them, possibly with trolling added. Compared to a similarly skilled group that likes the show, the product will always be worse.

As for me and my care about downloads, let me say this. Actions speak louder than words. I talk about how Nyaa is biased, how most Commie members are bad people, and how groups do stuff against me. But do I ever do anything in response to it? Find me an incident from the past 2 years where something I did was done solely for downloads.

Anonymous says:

But your releases are almost ALWAYS worse than cartel groups’ releases (with the possible exception of Commie). This is pretty much the case with all non-Cartel groups, bar, DDY (unless it’s an original translation).

That isn’t even the point. What makes you so insufferable is how you put on this attitude that you don’t care about what anyone thinks when clearly you do.

Kristen says:

You know what’s funny? Nobody ever called Tosho eyecancer or asked for a change. At least, not until Nyaa’s attempt at a fansub monopoly began.

Nevreen says:

The Geocities of torrent trackers:

http://puu.sh/brcOs/b82a1f50ad.png

PP says:

I wonder why, totally not because people just gave up on it all together and found somewhere else to download their anime though, totally, the reason TT is dying is totally because Daiz wanted to kill it.

Kristen says:

Not quite.

Animesuki used to be the #1 place to download anime. But when stuff started to get licensed before airing, it became incomplete and people went to tokyotosho.

Tokyotosho was the #1 place to download anime for a long time. But when nyaa started to redirect to their website instead of allowing direct downloads, and anirena + scarywater died, nyaa became more popular.

It was never about the simplistic and easy on the eyes look of Tokyotosho. It was about nyaa making moves to try to increase their traffic and force their ideas on fansubbers.

ItsMe says:

Nyaa is original in this, just like how live-evil never made half their torrents exclusive to scarywater.

PP says:

I see, I wonder how Nyaa managed to kill anirena and scarywater.

Anonymous says:

I didn’t think my 1080p tv looked like eye cancer till I saw a 4k tv.

Anon says:

ETA until egotistical and narcissistic fansubbers think they’re hot shit because some people only use Nyaa or NEED to watch anime as soon as it releases?

Here’s a protip you pompous little shit: there are more sites to download Japanese cartoons than Nyaa and TT. Not to mention that normal people can wait (golly gee, you mean that you don’t have to watch things the minute they release???) until things stabilize or blow over. Get over yourself.

Kristen says:

Next time you want to call me names and completely miss the entire point of my comment, why don’t you not hide behind the Anon name, ‘kay baby?

Anon says:

Well boy golly gee, you sure showed me!

ItsMe says:

It’s too deep!

So then download counts DO matter?

Dave says:

#GottaLoveFansubDrama

Dark_Sage says:

#TheStakesHaveNeverBeenLower

Kamica says:

Kristen has posted more words on crymore than Dark_Sage these past two months (combining word count from articles, reviews, and comments).

We KristenMore now?

Abunja says:

This is the only place for him to be. You know, to ‘Crymore’.

__ar says:

Dark_Sage stinx.

Anonymous says:

Rude. ;_;

Dark_Sage says:

Feelings: hurt.

Solaristics says:

I never knew you had feelings…

ar says:

Love is pain bb~

Anonymous says:

>we do what we want and don’t care about your opinion.
“T-They said my subs suck. T-They didn’t give me A+ on Nyaa. S-Some other group also did what ever they want. Cartel!”
Do you actually listen to yourself, Kristen? Jesus Christ.

Dark_Sage says:

He’s not as off his rocker as you think. The points are just sorta predicated upon the past (not that I read much of them, cuz walls of text ain’t my thing). Despite what newfriends like Nevreen are saying, it’s not at all a stretch to think groups would sub things just to piss others off.

Back before the Nyaa circlejerk got so… well, I don’t wanna say pathetic, but let’s call a spade a spade here… group rivalry was reason enough to sub a show. Hell, I remember subbing random episodes of shows and releasing them before other groups just to piss them off (K-On, for example). And yes, series were subbed just so other groups would get less downloads.

Nowadays that ain’t quite the case, but I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that someone would sub a series for reasons other than great and tremendous love for it. And I honestly think you’d have to be pretty fucking retarded to believe otherwise.

Abunja says:

Probably one of the reasons of oversubbing, I see. And in a case of two groups subbing an unpopular show for the reason of pissing the other, why would they go to such length? Correct me if I’m wrong, but a group getting less downloads would eventually die since they feel insignificant in the scene. In short, its like killing the other group slowly. My opinion.

qwerty says:

Do fansubbers REALLY have that kind of time? I mean, surely there are easier ways to piss off someone than getting a whole bunch of people and spending many hours of their time for no pay.

Abunja says:

My words, exactly.

Internette says:

You’re coming at this from the perspective of a reasonable person with a life. These are fansubbers we’re talking about. There are entire groups in the annals of fansubbing infamous for spending a bunch of time doing things solely to piss others off. These are people who are already subtitling foreign cartoons for free pretty much just for attention and the sake of their own egos. I don’t know why you’d think petty antics are some improbable speculation rather than just more of the same.

Really, the fact that it seems so pathetic is why it shouldn’t be so hard to believe that there are fansubbers who would do it. Just think back to Commie starting to release that season of PreCure and shitting all over the other group doing it. The amount of time they have to piss away on the most frivolous of endeavors is almost enviable.

FalseDawn says:

Mhmm. gg were famous for it.

anon says:

Doremi is utter garbage and putting out a release when they’re the only alternative is not at all frivolous. I only wish Commie could’ve done the same for HappinessCharge.

erejnion says:

Consider the following: I still download the herkzraws and retime the Doremi script over them.

Then, if I feel like it, I even go back after watching the episode, and start fixing mistakes. But that’s more rare. Spending the same time watching more Precure is a much better idea.

Dark_Sage says:

If low downloads killed groups, there wouldn’t be any left. To answer your question, there are many reasons why people sub. And yes, one of those reasons is just to piss people off. It’s obviously faded a bit from fansub culture, but it’s not gone.

As for how much time they have… well, there’s a reason you don’t see too many people on the front lines post-college.

Abunja says:

That may not be it, but maybe a reason for them to consider quitting. And by pissing off another group, can we assume that it’s a call for challenge? And what are the benefits from it? Or maybe pissing them off for no reason whatsoever that only only a kid will do? I’m new to these fansub drama, so please enlighten me.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh man, I could write a whole article on fansub culture and it would only scratch the surface.

If you’re familiar with 4chan, just imagine the userbase somehow gained functional literacy and decided to put subtitles on anime.

As to the benefits of pissing someone off… I dunno, they get pissed off?

Kristen says:

Ooh, you should! It’d be a surefire way to stir up a lot of drama and lulz

erejnion says:

You should also mention that usually for the same show every person actually has a set of these reasons motivating him, not just one. And this set differs for the different people involved.

Now, though, the reason Kristen acts like that is 90% paranoia and related brain problems.

Kristen says:

Anon, take a look at my releases.

Have I submitted them to nyaa outside of making a point?
Have I changed how I do my subs in any way?
Have I stopped subbing something because a cartel group was doing it?

Actions speak louder than words. If I actually cared about anything you said or how anybody judged me, I’d be changing how I do things.
Unlike Commie who willingly runs to Tokyotosho to submit because their beloved nyaa is down even though they swore off of it as a crappy useless tracker.

Anonymous says:

If you truly didn’t care, you would stop going on and on about Nyaa, the Cartel, how you didn’t get A+, how furzee hurt your feelings and all the other shit you bitch about.

Commie does what they want, just like you claim to do what you want. You’re as large a hypocrite as they are.

Kristen says:

So I’m not allowed to have an opinion on them and back it up with evidence if I don’t care about what they think?

HyakuPercent says:

If you didn’t care about them, you wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place.

Kristen says:

Um… no.

KoolKidsK says:

That’s generally how it works mate. I don’t know of any case that’s not how it works. If you can convince me with a logical argument I’ll say you’re right. I’m neutral and can go either way. Of course, doing so would prove you care even more so if your argument is false/illogical.

Kristen says:

Well then, since there is no argument I could say to convince you otherwise since your belief is that if I try to, then I’m wrong, I’ll just say nothing and you can believe whatever the hell you want to.

ItsMe says:

Mirror mirror on the wall

Nythius says:

True hope lies beyond the coast

Kristen says:

Don’t think you have any right to accuse anyone of hypocricy anymore after you accused me of not putting in effort and then you couldn’t put in the effort to check to see if you were missing the font on your computer. Or hell, you could have just opened the file in a legit media player and checked it there.

KoolKidsK says:

Nah, my belief is that if you can provide a logical argument without fallacies backing up what you say then I can and will believe you. That’s how I go about everything mate. I’ve heard people tell me “if you didn’t care then you wouldn’t have said anything” all the time and I’m merely interested to know if that’s not actually the case. I’m not trying to pick on you mate.

Kristen says:

Well, let me follow up with a question of my own.

Caring about one’s opinion can be done in two ways:
1. Making changes to suit your product to fit their tastes.
2. Making arguments/actions to try and change somebody’s opinion.

I have already demonstrated that #1 is false, as CGi still has no flying bunnies in Usage, isn’t about to redo Monogatari S2 to fit ItsMe’s demands, and changed “Biribiri” to “Shocker” in Railgun S.

So, we look at #2. Do you think that I believe that I can change herkz’s opinion of me by arguing with him and criticizing him? How about archdeco? Xythar? Whose opinion do you think I can change?

KoolKidsK says:

Mmmm. I see your point with #1. As for #2 and your question, I honestly don’t know. I like to think Xy’s a fair man. Arch, however, seems like he has something against you for real. He’s a chill dude from what I’ve seen outside of crymore, but I don’t know if you (and only you. I believe other people could change his opinion on other matters, however) can change his opinion or if he’s willing to change his opinion. By “fair man” I mean I believe if you give solid proof of something Xy can agree with you.

I believe there is at least one more way to show you care about someone’s opinion, though. For the whole “if you didn’t care then you wouldn’t bother bringing it up” thing, I always thought of it as “if you brought it up then it bothered you enough to say something about it.” What do you think about that? I don’t care who’s right or wrong and didn’t really in the first place. I just want to have a civil conversation/discussion.

Kristen says:

Well, maybe I phrased the question wrong. Do you think that I think any of them could change their opinions?

erejnion says:

Kristen, in #2, this “somebody” is not limited to the Commie members.

Also, please do comment on
>For the whole “if you didn’t care then you wouldn’t bother bringing it up” thing, I always thought of it as “if you brought it up then it bothered you enough to say something about it.”

Kristen says:

I think Apple’s new inventions on the iWatch and the tablet are stupid and useless, and are just new versions of their phones.

Since I brought it up, do I care about what Apple thinks of me?

archdeco says:

>Do you think that I think any of them could change their opinions?

No.

Do you think you could change your opinions?

The answer is again no.

Nevreen says:

>Biribiri to “Shocker,” not Sparky.

pls go

erejnion says:

I don’t even know what new inventions of Apple you are talking about. I may have heard about them, but as I didn’t care, I no longer remember. It does not even pass as a thought in my brain, much less am I going to give it as an example or post about it. THIS is what “not caring” looks like.

Once more: do you, Kristen, think that you can change anybody’s opinion with your posts? “Anybody” as in “not only Commie members, ANYBODY”.

Kristen says:

@archdeco – Oh, I very easily could. But you guys keep doing stuff that proves my opinions valid.

@erejnion – For your second part, no. I don’t. At least not here. Too much negative responses are to be expected when I post something to change anyone’s opinion.

For the first part, well, maybe it’s because I can’t forget something once I see it, even if I want to.

erejnion says:

What about somewhere else? Because, you know, the word “anybody” actually doesn’t exclude the people who do not post in crymore.

So, if I got what KoolKidsK was saying correctly, and if I am understanding you right, it boils down to the following:
What is your motivation to keep extending this effort to post about stuff you don’t care about? If you don’t care about it, why extend this effort? What is the logic behind it?

Kristen says:

Do I really post this stuff anywhere else? I used to post crap on bakabt but that was more about getting the CGi name out there than opinions. And the stuff I post on the CGi website is usually to laugh at you guys rather than change opinions.

But why extend this effort? Because drama is fun. Duh.

Jing says:

“Caring about one’s opinion can be done in two ways.”

I’m sorry, what? Didn’t he just ask you to drop the fallacies?

I’ve had enough of this, Steve. Your stupidity outshines the fucking Sun. Either be a man and admit when you’re wrong, or chop off your balls and fully commit to being a bitch. Remember, there’s only two ways.

erejnion says:

See, Kristen, that was saner. Wasn’t too hard, now, was it?

Though, it does make you sound exactly like a troll, and, considering the efforts you put into simply drama, means you are pretty mentally unstable, but oh well. It’s still saner than conspiracy theories.

@Nevreen it was changed to what it was because all CGi Raildex releases use consistent terminology, and nothing got changed from Eclipse’s S1. Though yes, Sparky > all.

HyakuPercent says:

Obvious solution would be to go back and fix all of that. Maybe make a decent release while they’re at it too.

CGi Raildex hurt my eyes when I last watched it. That being said, it wasn’t that bad…

Kristen says:

Season 1 Index? Yeah, that was bad.

Season 2 Index? You’re simply trolling if you said that was bad.

Season 2 Railgun? Yeah, if you don’t like the edits I made for consistency you can say it hurt your eyes.

It’s very hard to take you at your word anymore seeing how highly anti-me you are.

HyakuPercent says:

I’m not anti-Kristen. Just stating some facts.

Edits aren’t the only thing that can “hurt” my eyes. Sure years ago standards were different. That doesn’t change the fact that if I viewed it now, I would cringe.

Kristen says:

You can claim it all you want, but actions speak louder than words.

HyakuPercent says:

Have I made any personal shots at you or your group? Sure I gave my opinion on a certain release but you’re just taking it personally. If anything, you’re just looking for drama.

Nevreen says:

I feel like it’s important to ask whether you preserved Kusion’s “ojousama atmosphere” from episode 01 of Railgun S2.

Kristen says:

Yes, I didn’t change most of Kuroko’s lines. She didn’t really swear so I didn’t lower that tonality, and her interactions with Touma were completely different at times. I’d actually have preferred it moreso, at the level of Path’s Railgun S1, but I don’t have the talent of an editor to do that.

Nevreen says:

That is the incorrect response. That line is only good for making fun of Kusion.

KoolKidsK says:

Man all I tried to do was have a civil conversation/discussion and all this shit happens ;__;

I didn’t mean for this to happen >_>

erejnion says:

This is the internet, it works like this.

At least did you get the answer you were seeking?

Koby says:

TT is not a tracker; it’s an index.

shark0week0 says:

Except Commie didn’t sign that TT thing: http://puu.sh/bsmQ9/1fa978b695.png

Nythius says:

Err… they are between Anime-Koi and FLsnow on that list, how they didn’t?
Not like I care for it anyway, just pointing that out.

shark0week0 says:

lol oops

Anonymous says:

Whoops.

jimmy says:

submitted for your consideration: http://i.imgur.com/BpU3jhz.png

Dark_Sage says:

So… you want a ninja run follow-up article? Well, I’ll try my best.

jimmy says:

Dark_Sage reads the kuuki perfectly, as always.

ItsMe says:

And Kristen will keep saying his Monogatari is A+ quality even though he has no idea what blur is.

Kristen says:

And Commie will keep saying their Monogatari is A+ quality even though they have no idea what motiontracking is.

Opinions will always exist. The result is purely based on who has staff members in the tracker.

ItsMe says:

That’s a weird thing to claim, since they used mocha in other scenes that required it.

If the price of Mocha is that the typesetter also fucks up font size, color, placement and doesn’t adjust blur for 1080ps. Then I have to say I’d go without.

Though it’s weird you’re saying that somehow your release not being A+’d means no options. DDY’s is pretty well outsed as being questionable and yet is still present on the Nyaa tracker.

Kristen says:

Check every animation number scene. It jitters. Their subs do not.

But again, to each their own. You like a low-effort BD, enjoy Commie at your own leisure.

Also, my sub was never submitted for A+, though I know what the result would be – herkz would deny it because he knows approving it means removing A+ from his own version. Possibly quoting some anonymous staff member that thinks they understand japanese better than professionals (who used to be praised when they were fansubbers). Because after all, translation is the only aspect of a release that your average Joe cannot talk about with any validity, so it destroys any arguments against.

But no, my Monogatari not getting A+ has never been an issue. I believe it deserves it, nyaa does not, that’s all there is to it. That’s why I didn’t submit it. My Monogatari getting flagged as a remake when less than 5% of the release had anything the same as Commie, classifying it in the same vein as Deadfish and Minimkv has been. I refuse that, so I just don’t submit it there.

ItsMe says:

The only low-effort BD I’m seeing is yours. If you actually cared about your BDs, you would QC them. If you had QC’d them, you would have caught that the typesetting for your 1080p version was not resampled, but simply copy/pasted into the 1080p script.
On top of that, various colors and sizes were tweaked that not only seem more out-of-place than their original placement, but actually collide with the studio signs.
I completely fail to see how this shows a ‘love for the show’. It’s a mere insult.
That doesn’t show dedication for a show. It shows your staff don’t care about the show. They don’t QC, and they leave projects sitting for years. No RnL. No Nichijou. Nothing. After years. It’s preposterous.

Kristen says:

See, here’s the thing. All episodes are QC’d 2, if not 3 times. Nobody finds that to be an issue. Obviously, you are simply a Commie staff member trying to find fault where there is none, so it’s no use debating it.

But there is a difference between effort and quality. Effort means that you put time and dedication into making something the way you want it to look. Monogatari is exactly how I want it to look, and you cannot find another version like it. Nor can you say that anything could have been made better with more time invested into it by the same people.
Quality is how you agree with the look. You don’t like the choice in blur, aiming for more readability at the cost of a slight mismatch? Then that is your opinion.

The lack of care in Commie’s version is pretty obvious. They did what I did years ago – shifted, watch, release. Then give themselves A+ to discourage downloading other versions.

ItsMe says:

http://a.pomf.se/nccors.png
Clearly your QCs are hard workers.

But it’s funny, that when commie does something it’s an evil conspiracy, but when you make a decision it’s the best thing that cannot be question as its to your preferences.
Weird how commie can’t claim the same thing.

But it’s funny you think I’m a commie dev. It just shows more of your desperation to discount anything anyone would say against you. But I’m not ‘out to get you’ or anything as devious as that. All I want is good releases for shows I like. If you fixed any of these issues, v2’d with someone that actually knew how to typeset, most of all my complaints would be gone.
But that would require you actually caring about one of your releases.

Kristen says:

You mean http://a.pomf.se/mnnlbo.png ?

The sign you posted occurred at 8:24 in Onimonogatari episode 01.

So, I though, oh, maybe I forgot to mux in a font. I’d have heard about it if I did, of course. The font is named Betty’s Hand. And what do you know, it was actually muxed in.

What’s even funnier? That is one of the few signs that weren’t changed at all from Commie in which I muxed their font directly in.

So what I want to know is why you are extracting my subs and deliberately changing them to attempt to make me look bad.

ItsMe says:

Well the one monogatari font I didn’t have installed.

I wish I were changing your signs to make them look bad. Then I would have a reason for archiving your release.
http://min.us/mbmCqbi6DMNrh4

Kristen says:

Yeah, those signs are all a matter of opinion. There is nothing wrong with any of them, it’s just your preferences vs. mine. And as a Commie Dev, I’m not surprised which side you prefer.

Kristen says:

Also, thought I’d mention this. Neither Nichijou nor RnL are my projects, and I have no influence on them as I am not the group leader of CGi. So trying to accuse me for a lack of care because of projects that aren’t even mine is silly.

Googol says:

If the font was muxed in, you should have seen it normally even if you didn’t have the font installed.

Kristen says:

Not if he used Aegisub to view the script, which is what it sounded like he did.

Anon says:

So how about that Aniblog contest?

ar says:

@Dark_Sage

Entertaining posts whar? ,_,

Dark_Sage says:

Just re-read my ninja run post. I’m very proud of that one.

PP says:

We need more F- reviews, why are fansubbers so god-tier lately? Fuck them.

Dark_Sage says:

So you’re saying it’s time for another Subdesu review?

PP says:

You know your readers too well.

GeassGx says:

Or we can bring back Ayako-subs.

ar says:

Spiegel is irreplaceable sorry.

Anonymous says:

Did you ever repaint gradients like tp7 did, __ar?

ar says:

Uh tp7 never “repainted” a gradient afaik. What he did a fair bit of was hand drawing edge masks up in photoshop for debanding, and yes I’ve done this too. It’s bothersome and not something I’d want to do often.

LotusGG says:

This cartel drama is just better than reviews drama!

qwerty says:

*Kristen drama

Anonymous says:

No one comes here for reviews; only for the fansub drama.

Nythius says:

People come here to… Cry More. Ba dum tss
Ok. Bad joke is horrible.

qwerty says:

I’ll be honest; anyone who comes here for reviews will be sorely disappointed (where are the reviews… *sob*).

Anonymous says:

D_S, please give us reviews. ;_;

Dark_Sage says:

I did have reviews planned, but I fell asleep while watching Sailor Moon Crystal and didn’t wake up until, well… now. Maybe today, if I don’t find myself watching something terrible.

Anonymous says:

Please don’t watch terrible anime, D_S. :<

Dark_Sage says:

Yeah, but it’s boring to only watch stuff I know will be good.

PP says:

YOLO amirite?

LotusGG says:

So try not watching Tokyo ESP.

erejnion says:

You can always do one of the SYD ovas. Grabbing a random episode from there is bound to make for a nice F tier review.

dbx says:

143 comments and most of it is whiny bullshit. Exactly what I come to this site for.

DNS says:

Yeah, he should rename the site to whiners or something..

Johan says:

Previous name whinners current name Crymore; its all about crying and whinning.

rarely_upset says:

Amateur subtitlers are all professional whiners anyway. Maybe he could get the domain ‘whiners.pro’; that would be cool.

Dark_Sage says:

I dunno, you think they’ll buy my cover story that I’m a Finnish farmer?

aassdd says:

Actually, have you considered getting whiners.moe?

Dark_Sage says:

It was available last I checked, but I never fully bought into the “Whiners” name. So even though it’d be a good re-brand if I wanted to go that route, it’s not something I’m particularly interested in.

ar says:

Just say you’re Daiz’s cousin. They’ll believe ya.

Xythar says:

Wow, not even two weeks after I call out Chihiro for being behind on Sailor Moon, they catch up.

Come to think of it, they released the first episode of the show just four days after Commie picked it up.

Mere coincidence? I think not. My suspicions have been confirmed: Chihiro is subbing Sailor Moon solely to attack and piss off Commie. They called me crazy, but this evidence is clear and irrefutable.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were conspiring with Doki and Hatsuyuki (who are also subbing Sailor Moon, funny about that) to steal downloads from upstanding groups like Commie and FFF. It all makes sense now. I shall call this conspiracy… the syndicate.

tusko says:

You forgot to mention that they are also responsible for nyaa being down.

Xythar says:

Damn you, fansub syndicate!

a says:

wtf xythar, You used to be cool :/

Kristen says:

I don’t deny that Sailor Moon was picked up partially because Commie was doing it. Though releasing the new episodes really didn’t have anything to do with what you said 2 weeks ago.

archdeco says:

>FFF is doing locodol just to troll Chihiro. Filthy cartel.

>I picked up SMC because Commie was doing it. I’m crystal clear and cartel is in the wrong because they clearly don’t like the show.

Did we just reach Mount Everest of hypocrisy?

Fyurie says:

>Picking up SMC to piss off Commie.

Not only did you fail in that, you’re also digging yourself a nice hole, Kristen.

Good effort, though, keep it up!

Kristen says:

Never said it was to piss of Commie or troll them. Said they were a factor.

In fact, I’ll say this. Outside of picking up Toradora TV at Coalgirls in 2009, I have never picked up a show with the intent of pissing someone else off.

Try and figure out how that’s possible.

ItsHim says:

http://i.imgur.com/Bjgr5DJ.png

I’m sure the long wait was worth it.

Fyurie says:

That’s some quality TS. At least give it a little effort next time.

Kristen says:

Talk to the typesetter if you wish to discuss it. I did the encode, kara, and splicing files together. You can talk to me about that if you wish, or about the ethics of releasing this or other things I do. Bringing up things I have minimal to no control over is nothing more than trolling.

ItsHim says:

It’s weird how every time something comes out from you that’s low-quality it’s not your fault.

http://i.imgur.com/mgebahu.jpg

Kristen says:

Yeah, what about it? Don’t like the effect? That’s your problem. Have a problem with the letters? Yeah, I’m not above admitting that SMC is a shitstorm trying to encode, and that was the best I could do. Want to suggest to me how I could improve so I can implement it in other episodes and possibly v2 the past ones? Because I’d love to learn.

ItsHim says:

You didn’t seem too receptive when I told you what was wrong with your Bakemono TS.

Kristen says:

That’s because the Bakemono TS fits exactly what I want it to look like, and you disagree with my opinion of how it should look.

Here, I know the lettering has issues, you say it does too. So tell me how to fix it.

ItsHim says:

You get a real typesetter to work with you.
If you want to learn yourself, there actually are guides on how to TS properly that exist. You might even be able to fish up a TS from #itw.

Kristen says:

Oh, you weren’t talking about the encoding?

Well, isn’t that funny. There is a real actual problem with the screenshot you post, and you gripe about something that again is just your opinion. I think the font matches just fine, thank you very much.

Xythar says:

Wait, how does that happen to begin with?
http://i.imgur.com/bTRDwgo.jpg

(crappy jpeg quality because I couldn’t be bothered screenshotting it from anything but MPC)

Assuming ep3, all I did was resize CR’s 1080p. They fixed the crappy upscale they did from like, the second episode on. And even in ep1 you can get better quality than that with some simple antialiasing…

Kristen says:

Oh, I see the issue now. It’ll be fixed in the 1-13 batch. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Koby says:

Commie’s color choice is off… Can people really not figure out how to find the right color?

__ar says:

People click the color picker, pick a pixels colour and done. The problem lies with compression and what not, to really get a closer colour you need to average a window of pixels. Aegisub does not support doing this. One can use Photoshop to get 3×3, 5×5, 11×11, etc windows with the color picker but to be honest it’s way too much effort. This is not even possible in some cases so it’s really best guess.

That isn’t even taking into account blending modes when the text was added to the video originally, blur, and other things.

That’s not perfect but it’s passable.

Xythar says:

It’s not that simple because herkz was using multiple layers to match the effect and they all blend and interact with each other. If you want to try fixing up the styling yourself, feel free to send it to me.

Xythar says:

Also, this is the latest episode after I messed around a bit with it:
http://i.imgur.com/S5cvFUB.jpg

It’s better, but it’s still not perfect because of the layering thing.

Anon says:

MPC can do PNG screenshots. Just click the JPG thing next to save as type and you’ll see PNG show up (along with BMP, if you’re feeling a bit sick in the head).

Fyurie says:

Sure, it may be the TSer’s fault, but as a group leader/group admin, or at least you were last I checked, it’s your responsibility to make sure your releases meet a standard.

We other leaders pay fucking attention to what our staff are doing, maybe you should do the same.

Kristen says:

I don’t consider myself the group leader of Chihiro. They want me to be and thrust me on the pedestal all the time, but I would rather be just an encoder. Honestly, if I had the opportunity to join a small group that loves kids shows, like Doremi or something, and just do encoding there (on a regular basis), I would do it in a heartbeat.

This is my project though, so I know I should accept responsibility of the final product. Could the TS have been done better? Probably, had we had the people in the staff to do it. Unfortunately, very few people in the staff want to work on it, so there was no better TSer in staff to do it. That said, I don’t find that TS to be unacceptable either. Little bit of blur and maybe a better font and it could look really good. I just feel that fansubbing standards have recently become so high that anything less than a professional effort is considered unacceptable.

Regardless, I do not feel like this is the appropriate place to throw that crap at me. Xythar was talking about ethics, and I fail to see how subjective opinions of quality have anything to do with ethics.

ItsHim says:

You seem to be missing that the perspective is completely off.

Oh well. At least we know now that even if you did try and act as a proper lead, you couldn’t fix anything.

RDF says:

The Syndicate vs The Cartel. We should make a movie about it.

Fyurie says:

I don’t know how many people would want to watch The Cartel violate The Syndicate though.

There’s plenty of that on show already. :(

qwerty says:

Hey, if it’s got Kristen, I’ll watch it.

Nigger says:

Fyurie reminds me of a 14-year-old girl who finally got into the “popular girls” cliche and now tries so hard to fit in.

Greys says:

You remind me of the guy who tries to be cool by going counterflow and by making petty remarks.

ItsHim says:

Too deep again but.

” Little bit of blur and maybe a better font and it could look really good.”

You just said this?!? What do you mean
“I think the font matches just fine, thank you very much.”

I never even mentioned a font!

Kristen says:

The hell are you talking about? You posted 2 screenshots. The first one I said wasn’t my fault, then you start posting the ED. I ask you how to improve the encode, and you say “get a better typesetter or learn how to typeset it yourself”. So obviously I conclude that the ED2 subs you don’t like, aka the font I chose to use in my karaoke.

You know what, believe whatever you want. I really have too much work to do today to play with you. I was only responding to Xythar’s comment about ethics, and it really was not the place to comment about your opinion on the quality of the release.

qwerty says:

Ahahahaha you guys are so mean to poor, poor Kristen. Where is your gentlemanly chivalry? You must be gentle with a lady such as herself.

ItsHim says:

Sorry I’m a misogynist.

Anonymous says:

But Kristen is a male…

qwerty says:

S/he claims otherwise, and it’s the thought that counts, right?

Anonymous says:

Yeah, nah. She thinks her subs are all A+ quality, but that isn’t the case either, now is it?

qwerty says:

Well, I never said a thought “counting” necessarily meant it was true, now did I?

Anonymous says:

( ¬‿¬)

FalseDawn says:

Dark_Sage, have you considered doing a new theme tune for Crymore? I know Whiners had an unofficial one to the tune of pokemon, but don’t remember the new guise getting the same treatment.

I only ask because I randomly started singing the word “Crymore” to the tune of Skyfall by Adele in my head, and thought it might catch on ;)

Dark_Sage says:

Oh no, you’re giving me ideas.

For the plebs:

Humanity says:

Oh, man. I forgot about this!

LotusGG says:

>so many reviews
who are you and what you did to Sagey?

Dark_Sage says:

You’re gonna like this weekend. :3

Dark_Sage says:

Or, rather, you’re really going to like what I have planned for tonight.

LotusGG says:

Don’t you tease me, Sagey-kun.

Dark_Sage says:

Under the assumption I don’t fall asleep, of course.

LotusGG says:

Am I that boring? :(

Dark_Sage says:

A better question is “is spending all day watching the same episode of Sailor Moon boring?” And the answer to that is yes.

LotusGG says:

Holy shit, am I a Mahou Shoujo?

GeassGx says:

Nyaa is back. So how long before it goes back to being down?

Googol says:

It won’t go down as easily again. They changed host, or so it seems.

Kristen says:

I give it a week.

LotusGG says:

A week or so.

LotusGG says:

I’ll have to beg Kokujin-kun to review my Rokujouma fix, since D_S should be dead after reviewing so many bad animes in a row.

Anonymous says:

But I thought D_S likes Rokujouma. Tell you what, he should just review Rokujouma and nothing else this season.

RDF says:

D_S, you should review it. Don’t be lazy.

Anonymous says:

I’ll take that as a yes! :>

LotusGG says:

TBH, Rokujouma are one of the few 4 I liked this season.

Anon says:

We need a new fansub relations chart, highlighting (still active) groups in The Cartel, The Syndicate, and The Others.

FalseDawn says:

The Outsiders*

HyakuPercent says:

I don’t know… That chart sounds like it could get messy.

Nigger says:

Cartel groups
-[Commie]
-[UTW](basically dead)
-[Underwater] (dead, too)
-[Vivid]
-[FFF]
-[Kaylith] (new member)
-[Asenshi] (while small and completely irrelevant, they have members who are mods on Nyaa, making them Cartel members by default)

Making inroads into the Cartel
-[Anime-Koi]
-[Chyuu]
-[Watashi] (their leader has been doing a lot of work for the Cartel)
-[Femme](Xythar said on ask.fm that their leader probably knows what he’s doing)

Syndicate
-[Chihiro] (leader of the syndicate, duh)
-[Coalgirls]
-[Doki]
-[Hatsuyuki]
-[Coldhell] (probably don’t realise it, but they’ve been spite by Nyaa a couple times and certainly part of the resistance (possibly unwillingly)).
-[Wasurenai] (they still haven’t gotten A+ for Milky Holmes)
-[CMS] (despite many good releases — and the best Nisemonogatari release — they’ve never gotten A+ on Nyaa)

The Others
-[DameDesuYo] (they’ve made some inroads into joining the Cartel, however they’ve also shot themselves in the foot a couple of times, for instance, when they release Hanamonogatari. I wouldn’t consider them “Syndicate” either as they are trying to get on good terms with the Cartel.)
-[Hiryuu] (though some of their members are on good terms with the cartel, they are not part of the cartel nor are they part of the Syndicate, hence “the Others”.)
-[Mezashite] (small group, they’ve recently gotten A+ for one of their major releases, so it could be argued that they’re strengthening their relationship with the Cartel. That said, they are not members (yet)).
-[orz] (only recently got Trusted on Nyaa, they’re too new to make a call on whether they’re part of the Cartel or whether they are Syndicate members (I would advise the Syndicate try and recruit them as they are new, young, and easily radicalized)).
-[Stinx] (dogshit group, they’ll probably be part of the Syndicate in a few months).
-[naisho] (very small group, they basically keep to themselves and don’t get too involved in the fansub drama)
-[Migoto] (Same as Naisho)
-[Doutei] (They probably won’t ever be in the cartel, given kokujin-kun’s relation with D_S and Crymore).
-[EveTaku] (this was a hard call for me to make. Lyger often does kfx for Vivid and plenty of EveTaku’s releases have gotten A+. However, lyger declined mod status on Nyaa, which lead the to infer that he doesn’t want to get too involved in the war between the Cartel and Syndicate)

If I forgot a group, it’s probably because they’re really shit, really irrelevant, really new, or part of The Others.

Nigger says:

I should add that the Syndicate should try and recruit Impatience (sometimes goes by ‘&’ and some other name that I forget). They’re a pretty young group, and I think it would be in the Syndicate’s best interest to recruit youngsters to help bolster their movement.

I also forgot to mention HorribleSubs. While not a fansub group, I think they’re important to mention. They provide a lot of the funding which keeps Nyaa running (and of course the Cartel strong). They’re basically the Fezzani behind the scenes — and of course not to be trusted.

ItsHim says:

arvon2 (&, that subber from /a/) already does stuff for Watakushi. And I’m pretty sure he has been failing tests to get into other groups lately.

How is Stinx close to being syndicate when it’s composed of basically a bunch of cartel staff (have you even looked)? Or Kaylith considered new cartel when it a chunk is ex-EveTaku staff?
How is CMS Syndicate when they are more associated with the ‘Cratel’ (watashi etc) than syndicate groups?
And how does Femme knowing what they’re doing qualify them for cartel? Can’t we just accept that a group lead by the creator of several encoding tools would -probably- know what they’re doing?

Hairy says:

Why would anyone do anything for Watakushi?

ItsHim says:

Because no one else is taking him.

rarely_upset says:

The chuunibyou is strong in this one.

Also >(Xythar said on ask.fm that their leader probably knows what he’s doing) made me laugh.

Fyurie says:

Yeah, some of this is pretty far-fetched.

shark0week0 says:

But jhkplaya888 doesn’t do shit for anyone, not even his own group.

HyakuPercent says:

Missing group would be Cthuko. They’re reviving next season.

And fwiw lyger is also Hiryuu staff.

Anonymous says:

Let me follow up on this based on what a few people said:

1. To be honest, what I said about Stinx was largely a joke. Their subs are just shit, that’s all.

2. Kaylith is considered Cartel because of receiving multiple A+ on Nyaa, having mods in their staff, and the way their leader and a couple other group members act. By which I mean they vehemently defend the Cartel and spread disinformation about the Syndicate.

3. CMS is Syndicate as they represent the never-ending struggle of Syndicate groups (never getting blue despite releasing subs that are pretty okay).

4. As for Watashi’s “leader”, I actually meant their TL. Whoops.

5. Cthuko I would probably consider Cartel, but I guess I’ll wait and see after their revival. Perhaps they’ve changed.

I also want to clarify how I categorize fansub groups:
“Cartel”
Any group that has Nyaa mods on their staff, receives A+ for their shows, and gets preferential treatment by the mods. This, for instance, is when there are two groups subbing a show, a Cartel group and a non-Cartel group, and a Nyaa mod claims “we need to give a group A+ for this show” and of course hands it to the cartel group (whether they’ve done a better job or not). You can look at Rokujouma, Locodol, Blade Dance (actually this has two non-Cartel groups, but the point still stands), Ao Haru Ride, and Akame ga Kill (there are probably others which I can’t remember off the top of my head). All of these shows have a Cartel group and one or more non-Cartel groups working on them. For each show, A+ “had to be given”, and hence was given to the Cartel group subbing the respective show. The bias here is that the Cartel claims that “A+ needs to be given”, but are absolutely not consistent with this rule that A+ must be given to shows. They try to defend themselves by saying “we don’t give A+ when there are too many groups subbing a show, and then cite shit like NGNL. But the truth of the matter is there are plenty of shows which are subbed one one – three groups, all of which are non-Cartel, where A+ hasn’t been given out. This brings me to

“non-Cartel”
Any group which does NOT receive preferential treatment by the Nyaa mods. These groups can still have staff who work for Cartel groups — and in rare occasions Nyaa mods. This includes any group that doesn’t receive A+ for a show when they are the only group working on it, or when there are multiple non-Cartel groups subbbing a show but the mods have still not given out an A+. Examples this season would be: Barakamon (A-K is the only groups subbing this, I don’t give a fuck what UW’s editor says), Majimoji Rurumo, Mahouka, Hentai!, Ai Mai Mi, PriPara, Persona 4, Gundan-san. You can also look at previous seasons for more examples. These shows are all subbed by one more more non-Cartel groups, none of which received A+, despite “A+ having to be given out”. On the contrary, any time a Cartel group is the only group subbing a show, A+ is given to them automatically.

It gets trickier categorizing groups when you want to place them in “Syndicate”, “making inroads into the Cartel,” and “the Others.”

“Syndicate”
Any group that is both a victim of hate crimes (Nyaa mods bias) and gets discriminated by Nyaa mods. Here I am using racism as an analogy, as majority of this Cartel vs Syndicate argument is based on colour. What’s more, one must also be an activist — a revolutionist, if you will — to be considered part of the Syndicate. Chihiro I would no doubt draw comparisons to Nelson Mandela: Chihiro is clearly the leader of the Syndicate movement; they paint themselves as a peaceful protestor who are simply fighting for equality and to end their mistreatment. However, in reality they are quite the opposite. These people are mostly violent revolutionists (Chihiro trying to bring down Nyaa), separatists (Doki and Coalgirls using their own trackers), or propaganda tools used against Nyaa (ie, CMS is used as a poster boy for Nyaa mods bias)

“making inroads into the Cartel”
This is any group that isn’t always a victim of Nyaa mod bias. Anime-Koi is a good example, as they tend to receive more A+s than any other non-Cartel group. Quite often when they are the only group subbing a show, they automatically receive A+ (Sabagebu, for instance). For a group to be considered making inroads into the Cartel, they must be actively working to join the cartel, receive A+s on Nyaa, and disassociated with the Syndicate.

“the Others”
Basically just any group that doesn’t get too involved in this shit.

Xythar says:

That sure is a lot of words.

Groups get A+ if they’re the best group subbing a show and meet a certain minimum standard of quality (mostly TL-wise). If you notice certain groups getting A+ more often than other groups, it’s probably because those groups have more competent staff and don’t do things like turn out original translations that are worse than the simulcast script (eg Barakamon, Rurumo, and the likes).

If you think you can prove that an A+ was given out incorrectly, feel free to send actual examples of why you feel a different group had the better script (again, preferably in terms of TL). Oddly enough, no one has ever done this.

Kristen says:

“TL” is commonly called upon as a reason for A+ for exactly that reason – there are very few people competent enough in Japanese to debate it. This includes most of the nyaa mods – there is only one that I really can respect in terms of translations.

Most translations nowadays are CR based, so there aren’t much differences in terms of TL. However, when there are it is usually the equivalent to Jaka (C->E TL who has good English abilities) TLCing Kokizzzle (who currently is good enough to TL for CR).

And to continue, most TL differences pointed out aren’t really TL differences – just tonality. For instance, if a mom says “Get out of here!” and it is TLed as “Go to your room!”, it would commonly be listed as a TL mistake (assuming a non-cartel group did it), even though it has the same meanings.

By eliminating most debate by excluding most people competent to critique other parts of the release (editing, typesetting, encode), you essentially eliminate any debate on it, even if it seems obvious to the public that the release that is A+ is not the best.

Though it’s not like A+ on nyaa has ever been a level playing field. It’s the type of a playing field where a 4-pixel black border Gochuumon Usagi in 720p gets A+, and a 1-pixel greyish border in 1080p is denied it due to “borders”.

archdeco says:

How hard is it for you to understand that TL accuracy IS the most important aspect of any release?
Bad translation with good English is like a pile of shit with a cherry on top of it. In the end, both are just shit.

Kristen says:

Why don’t you actually read what I wrote?

Nigger says:

Xyther, you know you’re much more of an insufferable faggot than Kristen. I don’t think I know of anyone who is as serious as you are; it’s like you’ve got a stick up your ass 24/7. I know half of the people on here didn’t realize those posts were sarcastic, but the fact that you actually wrote a long-winded, serious post in response just shows how much of a tool you are.

Moreover, you pretend like you’re not invested in this and that you’re above all the drama, when in fact you’re the primary reason most of this drama exists in the first place. You make all these spineless, passive aggressive posts on Crymore and ask.fm, instigating drama. And when the drama unfolds you act as if you’re innocent and don’t want a part of it. It’s truly pathetic.

And while my post was largely sarcastic, you’re beyond delusional if you don’t think there is some sort of bias on Nyaa. The whole “A+ is based on a certain TL quality” excuse is what you use when a non-Cartel group doesn’t get A+. That doesn’t account for the fact that CGi didn’t get A+ for Usagi (yeah, Kristen — like an idiot — got rid of the kfx, but as you said, kfx barely plays a part when a release is considered for A+ status) despite being a better encoded BD release. There are countless other examples that I could bring up, but you’d no doubt come up with some shitty excuse.

tl;dr: you’re too serious, pls lighten up.

Xythar says:

Yeah, that Xyther guy sure is a pain. He must feel pretty bad that some anonymous internet stranger has assassinated his character to such a degree.

A lot of people have told me things about him over the years, but I’ve never actually seen him post. If he had, though, I think he’d say something like this: http://i.imgur.com/9XLoD77.png

Hairy says:

Yeah, that guy must be a faggot.

Nigger says:

This is exactly the type of passive aggressive post I’m talking about. You’re so spineless you resort to speaking in the third person — but you’re just being silly now, right, perhaps trying to show me that you’re not as serious as I think you are.

>l-look at me, I’m so above this argument

Absolute tool. Seek medical help, Xythar.

Xythar says:

So what was the problem again? Am I taking your stupid arguments too seriously, or am I not taking them seriously enough? It might help if you were to include some kind of indicator in your post as to whether you’re simply pretending to be retarded or the genuine article, because I’m having a hard time telling them apart.

Nigger says:

I clearly said my posts were sarcastic to start some fansub drama. And I also said YOU’RE too serious — as in your personality. My other gripe with you is how you are passive aggressive, spineless, and always pretending to be above fansub drama, despite being in the thick of it 90% of the time. Plus, like most fansubbers, you’re an absolute attention whore, but that’s a whole other story.

Xythar says:

Man, when did this get so personal? If you think I’m a gigantic asshole, then okay. Like I said, I don’t really care what some faceless internet stranger thinks of me.

If you feel an A+ was given out incorrectly for a show, feel free to submit evidence as to why the decision was wrong. If you have no evidence, are you just assuming or what? Why should we take accusations of wrongdoing seriously if they’re from someone who did even less research than we did?

Trends are not evidence of anything, by the way. As I said, if certain groups get A+ more often than others, it seems to me that the logical conclusion is that those groups are better at fansubbing overall. In which case, I would say the system is working as intended.

Nigger says:

Because you are not only the most insufferable person on this website (despite Kristen being an active poster here), but also the most insufferable fansubber — yes, even more so than losers like herkz.

>h-he’s caught me red handed, better change the subject
Seek medical help, you autistic, spineless attention whore.

Xythar says:

Yes. You said. Several times.

If you’ve got no useful criticism about the A+ system, then I guess we’ll just carry on doing what we’re doing. Don’t say I didn’t try.

Nigger says:

Still trying to change the subject, hey? How can one person be so pathetic?

Xythar says:

You tell me, buddy.

Kristen says:

In any system where there is a “best”, there are always exceptions to the rules.

Let’s look at various competitions.

Michael Phelps was considered the best swimmer in the 2012 Olympics. He got silver in 2 events.

The New York Yankees were considered the best baseball team in the late 1990s. They lost in 1997.

The Dallas Cowboys were considered the best football team in the 90s. They lost in 1994.

Let’s look outside of sports.

Apple continually releases the best versions of phones, tablets, and mp3 players. Though most people will claim a windows PC to be better than a Mac

George Lucas, creator of Star Wars, also created the critically trashed Star Wars Christmas Special

Pepsi made “Crystal Pepsi” in the ’80s, a giant bust

The list can go on and on. However, in nyaa, I can’t really find a single instance of a non-cartel group getting A+ and a cartel group not. Even if you want to pretend that cartel groups are generally better quality, there should always be exceptions where the cartel had their B-team on the project, and the non-cartel had their A-team on it.

Though I do know of one other example where something is consistently better than everything else. Kim-Jung Il.

Xythar says:

>However, in nyaa, I can’t really find a single instance of a non-cartel group getting A+ and a cartel group not.

Clearly you weren’t trying very hard.

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=3&term=tamayura|robotics|steins|hyouka|kokoro

Just off the top of my head.

I assume your response to this will be to add EveTaku, rori, WhyNot, and Mazui to the cartel.

Kristen says:

Evetaku has had multiple joints with Vivid so are obviously friendly with them.

rori was so much FFF that they were absorbed by FFF.

Mazui continually joints with UTW so are obviously friendly with them.

The WhyNot on Robotics;Notes was interesting though. I’ll have to look more into it.

Xythar says:

In other words, exactly what I said.

The reason you have trouble finding groups that regularly receive A+ and aren’t in the cartel is because you define the cartel as groups which regularly receive A+.

Kristen says:

A cartel group by any other name…

Xythar says:

The problem is that what you want is impossible because your “theory” is designed so nobody can disprove it. Two seasons ago, nobody would have considered Kaylith a cartel group. Two years ago, nobody would have considered FFF a cartel group.

It’s impossible to hand out more A+s to non-cartel groups, because as soon as said groups start receiving them, they become cartel groups in your eyes.

fnord says:

It’s kind of pointless to argue this if you claim that any group that receives A+ is inducted into the “cartel”, like Kaylith. We gave Kaylith A+ because it’s the best release, not because they were admitted to the cartel.

You have the hen and the egg all backwards.

What this actually boils down to is that you’re upset that you, personally, aren’t getting A+, and that the groups you represent rarely get A+.

In which case, yes, it’s a matter of quality. Look at Dark_Sage’s reviews of Sailor Moon. Do you expect to get A+ for releases like that?

I can’t speak for BD releases, but Doki, Hatsuyuki and other groups like that will never get a single A+ release unless they learn how to produce subtitles of adequate quality.

Chihiro got A+ for Mangaka and DDY got A+ for Brynhildr, in both cases because the release genuinely deserved it.

The groups you represent release a lot less than “cartel” groups and generally of much lower quality, but saying you’ve never gotten blue is evidently false.

Hairy says:

>but Doki, Hatsuyuki and other groups like that will never get a single A+ release unless they learn how to produce subtitles of adequate quality.
>Doki

I don’t think Doki will be getting any A+ releases on Nyaa regardless of subtitle quality.

Kristen says:

Xythar, Kaylith has 2 staff members in nyaa. It’s hard to NOT consider them cartel. For FFF, it’s more about them getting changing their attitudes more than their A+. Their original version of Nisekoi before they v2’d it was what really solidified it for me, how they localized everything up the ass.
The other thing is that the groups I mentioned as being friendly with cartel groups, not as being cartel groups themselves.

fnord – Few disjointed things I want to address.

1. I’m not really upset that I or the groups I represent don’t get A+. I hardly ever personally submit anything to nyaa. Should some shows from CGi get A+? Yes, definitely. I still don’t know why Hunter x Hunter isn’t A+, and 3 months into BDs CGi is still the best group and better than Vivid’s TV for Usagi. But as for actually being upset, it’s not really upset since if you don’t try you can’t win.

2. DS’s review of Sailor Moon upset both me and my opinions on the group. After making sure that the editors were doing their job on the first 2 episodes and getting it out, I put trust in the staff to continue to do their jobs. Yet the editor obviously got lazy and didn’t care, and it’s to the point now where I’m considering dropping the show. The goal was to put out an acceptable SMC that wasn’t localized up the ass like Commie’s would be, and we obviously failed. I might even retire from Chihiro as a result of this.

3. Mangaka I believe was a counter-example created specifically for these types of arguments. It was flagged because it was an acceptable release with no cartel groups doing it, designed to say “Hey Kristen, we’re not so biased, we even gave Chihiro A+!” But no, I’m not saying that all A+’s are undeserved. I’m saying that I think there is a tilt.

Xythar says:

Watashi also has two staff members “in nyaa” and I’ve never seen you call them cartel or point out all the A+s they’re unjustly getting.

fnord says:

If DS hadn’t reviewed SMC, you’d never have realized how bad your release was. You’d have stood here and proudly proclaimed it superior to Commie’s effort.

How many shows do you personally think were decent and deserving of A+ when in truth the scripts were incredibly bad? How many scripts do you fancy were good when really they definitely weren’t, just because nobody put out a public review to explain to you just how bad the release was?

I can’t address every one of your suspicions and fears because I’m not involved in every decision made, and I know especially little about the cutesy and ecchi shows that Chihiro is mostly doing, but to me, personally, your theories seem like confirmation bias.

I admit this is not particularly concrete evidence of the absence of a conspiracy, but you can’t prove the absence of conspiracies. The nature of conspiracy theories means that they’re fundamentally defensible because they rely on the absence of evidence.

Kristen says:

Xythar, it’s not that I know everything. I just know what I know. I didn’t know about Watashi’s existence or anything about them.

fnord, I don’t think I ever claimed Chihiro’s SMC was superior to Commie’s. I claimed we like it more than Commie does, but never that it was superior.

archdeco says:

Your lack of effort clearly shows just how much you like SMC.

Kristen says:

My likes and my efforts showed through in everything I did. Hell, episode 1 took me like 15 hours to encode due to figuring out how to do it with the multiple sources of niconico and CR, and the karaoke took like another 6. The rest of the group I can’t speak about.

Jing says:

Stop categorizing groups like this. It’s erroneous in the first place and allows the rest of the discussion to occur under false pretenses.

I took a few years off Rizon before coming back a few months ago, but Chihiro was shit back in 2008, and I’m afraid it doesn’t look like anything’s changed. And that is truly, honestly a shame. I hadn’t even heard of the “cartel” until this summer. Hell, I don’t even like Sailor Moon–it’s just a stupid kids’ show. But I think you’re too caught up in fighting your holy war to realize that you’re the problem, not the system. This isn’t something out of Orwell.

Egos should have been tempered by the ascent of Crunchyroll years ago. At this point, fansubbing has almost zero utility, save for the otaku and a few outliers who know where to look for better quality work and are willing to wait for it. You should be doing it for fun, not for recognition or status in a community largely filled with trolls. Praise from a third party is always nice, I won’t deny that, but the buck should stop with your own opinion of what you do.

It’s also hard to take you seriously when you say things like this:

>Kristen: 20 years from now, I guess I’d be a teacher, living together with my girlfriend, whoever that may be, petitioning the government to let lesbian marriage be legal.
(tl note: Your name is Steve. Live with it.)
(tl note note: I didn’t know you were a dude back in 2008, and that has nothing to do with my opinion of your work.)

Nobody classified Kaylith under the same umbrella as your perceived “nemeses” when Nyaa first gave them blue for Terror. Why should anything change now that some staff have decided to join other groups? Talented people like to work with other talented people. There’s nothing more to it.

Moreover, in all these years, how has your work not managed to improve? At this point, I’m left to assume that your juvenile mindset bleeds into the quality of what you release. If you’re not going to do this for yourself, then maybe you need another hobby.

Kristen says:

Jing, I don’t know who you are, but if you find anything Chihiro does similar to Chihiro in 2008, you are no judge of quality and should just shut up. And I don’t think anyone of any competence can even attempt to make the argument that Chihiro’s To Love Ru was higher or similar quality to let’s say TWGOK S3.

The feebility of your argument is only augmented by bringing personal issues into the equation instead of plain facts. In fact, did you even have any facts in your comment at all?

Fyurie says:

You know why your TWGOK S3 was better than your TLR? because you used CR and barely edited it.

CR does better work than Chihiro, after all.

Jing says:

“No, because I have no evidence that you aren’t getting windfall from other cartel groups and/or nyaa and/or horriblesubs.”

Because facts are so very important to you.

Kristen says:

http://www.crymore.net/?s=Chihiro

Try any other show you wish that wasn’t DQ’d, Fyurie. If you believe Chihiro is not better than 2008, you are simply trolling.

Jing says:

I don’t consider D_S a proper judge of quality either. And don’t tell me I’m biased there–the only score he’s ever given me is an A+.

Dark_Sage says:

You got any reasonable suggestions for improvement? I try to incorporate whatever I can that’ll make the reviews more useful (see webms for the latest example).

Kristen says:

Then who do you trust? bakabt? They’ve made numerous Chihiro releases A+ since 2008. Nyaa? I’m pretty sure if we put out something like we did in 2008, we’d lose our trusted status due to TL quality. anidb? anidb has an upwards trend in approval. MAL? Again, upwards trend. Those who deny this site, which is the only place that has neutral reviews (seeing how all groups both get praised and bashed), are those who simply wish to deny the truth. That’s all there is to it.

I honestly have no idea who you are. Probably somebody I horribly offended one time, seeing how eager you are to bring personal matters into any time you want to argue with me. But seriously, isn’t it about time you let it go?

Solaristics says:

Coming here to see Kristen qq is the best part of the day.

Jing says:

Damn, man, you really are paranoid.

You’ve done absolutely nothing to offend me. We’ve never even spoken before. And nothing I’ve said so far today should have offended you, either. Don’t think so highly of yourself as to automatically assume this is a personal matter. You just fascinate me as a human being.

To me, there is no objective gauge of quality out there. I just compare what you do to what I see from others and form my own opinion. I’m even surprised that you’d cite the ratings of random leechers after I already told you I don’t necessarily trust scores from a guy with an established following. Still, that’s not the topic I was concerned with.

In fact, I’ve got plenty of Coalgirls releases archived. There’s nothing particularly wrong with some of them other than a bit of bloat, and that’s a negligible concern.

All I’ve said so far basically boils down to curiosity. Why do you care so much about all these ratings and rankings? The only thing it’s done is devolve your persona into a joke. A meme, even. Maybe if you stopped complaining so much, no one would try to poke the bear. Think back to elementary school: Just ignore the bully, and he’ll go away.

Kristen says:

Coalguys Late 2008 – Mid 2009. Yeah, no, the bully doesn’t go away if you ignore it. The bully will continue to harass you until his own cult following tells him that he’s going to far.

Jing says:

“But seriously, isn’t it about time you let it go?”

I genuinely hope that you can, dude.

Jing says:

@D_S: Nah, I just mean the whole concept of reviewing fansubs is flawed to begin with. I’m not suggesting you’re always wrong, but no one can always be right–especially when we’ve gotten to the point where most negative marks one might attribute to a release are solely a matter of preference. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that certain people are genuinely bad at what they do while others aren’t. The actual problem arises when readers (or subbers themselves, in this case) treat an outside opinion like gospel.

Frankly, if you believe you’re good enough to judge everyone else’s work, I’d prefer to see you subbing things yourself instead of dedicating that time to reviews. This little world of ours still needs as many talented people as it can get. As for whether you really are that good or not, maybe I’ll write you a review. ;)

Dark_Sage says:

So your problem is with reviews in general? I can’t do much about that, but fair enough.

Let me know when fansubs become relevant again and I’ll consider getting back into the fray. Until then you’ll just have to review something I “recently” did like SFWhine’s Last Exile S2 or Whine-Subs’s Hyobu Kyosuke.

PP says:

>where most negative marks one might attribute to a release are solely a matter of preference.

Grammar mistakes (which is mostly what D_S points out outside of engrish) aren’t a matter of preference, it’s a matter of being wrong or right.
All D_S does is put the things on the table and tells you how it is, aside from really bad releases (or maybe not, you can watch whatever), you should probably just look at what each group does differently and then pick from there, if grammar mistakes really bother you that much and you can pick them up without your brain fixing them as you read then you should follow what he says otherwise just use what he gives you as a guide.
I highly doubt D_S considers himself as someone who says what is or isn’t of good quality (I dobut any review thinks like that really), but like he said, he always tries to improve, you can disagree with him but there are some things that are just wrong, he’s not reviewing anime here.
But feel free to think that just because D_S gave a D to a group and A to another that they’re exactly the same.

Jing says:

@PP: I never said that “just because D_S gave a D to a group and A to another that they’re exactly the same”. That’s not at all what I’m implying, either. The focus of that comment–what I made sure to describe as “the actual problem”–is on the people who take those scores too seriously or interpret them as fact. D_S’s reply was very civil and I’m sure he doesn’t need you to defend his honor in what is quite literally his own domain.

If grammar is honestly all you care about, then you’ve only furthered my point. If it’s not something you notice on your own, then how does it hurt your viewing experience? If it is, then it would follow that you’re of sound enough mind to choose an alternative on your own as opposed to using “guides” that focus almost exclusively on errors.

(Ironically, I may also have misinterpreted your comment, because your grammar could use some work. >_>)

Perhaps the rigidity of grammar rules in a particular release was forsaken in lieu of characterization, for example. You’ll never know, because you looked at a letter grade and decided to go another way. That’s no way to interpret the quality of that release. I consider that unfair, but I’m not condemning D_S for it. It’s not his responsibility to hold anyone’s hand, and I’m not here to burn his house down. I’m speaking in a more general sense, as D_S noticed, than just one man’s contribution to the internet. I simply think it’s an idea worth pursuing, if only for the sake of discussion. This is how we learn.

@D_S: Just joshing, of course. But your reply does beg the question: If you don’t believe fansubbing is relevant (trust me, I don’t either), how do you consider this site and its content, which is primarily subservient to fansubs by design, to be any more practical a use of your time? Surely it must cater to an even smaller audience than fansubs themselves do, or is that where I’m mistaken?

None of this is personal, of course, and I think you realize that. I’m just a bit too curious for my own good.

Dark_Sage says:

Crymore doesn’t revolve around fansubs, though. Let me put it this way: if fansubs disappeared overnight, would I have to shut Crymore down? I mean, it’d be an abrupt transition, but it wouldn’t be too hard for me to shift to another otaku-related topic; I ain’t exactly short of opinions. Honestly, the site’d probably become more popular, due to easier accessibility and increased content (fansub reviews take much longer to write and far more preparation than your standard article).

Also, the audience isn’t limited to fansub viewers at all. Some of the most consistent feedback I get is that people primarily come here to be entertained or informed (for example, from an English perspective). Fansub reviews are just a medium for that.

Hairy says:

>Perhaps the rigidity of grammar rules in a particular release was forsaken in lieu of characterization, for example

Yeah, you’re right. I’m sure Hadena was actually an A+ group, but D_S never took the characterization they were trying to achieve into account when doing his reviews. In reality, Hadena’s releases were just as good as any other group’s, but they said, “you know what? Why do we have to follow grammatical rules? Who says we have to abide by what others perceive as “correct” grammar?” Truly, Hadena were innovators and the world was not ready for the enlightenment that they wished to bring us.

D_S doesn’t strictly review grammar, though. He also looks at logical problems, poor phrasing, terminology etc. I suppose that anything he points out here as being detrimental to the release can easily be explained away as subjective or a matter of preference, of course, because there’s no “correct” way. There is a “mainstream” way, but the truly best fansubbers out there know that the popular way isn’t necessarily the best. Subs that make sense are so impersonal and sterile. When I am in the midst of fapping to my hentai, trying to discern the hardsubs from the low-quality encode because Subdesu was the only group that released it, I feel as if I have been blessed by the touch of a fansubbing adonis when I spot words that make no sense in the context in which they are spoken, or when a phrase is incomprehensible due to being a string of unrelated words not connected by any of the prescribed English grammatical conventions.

What we perceive and “good” and “bad” is subjective of course, so rather than giving grades and providing criticism, D_S’s reviews should focus more on how the group has chosen to interpret the show’s script. Instead of telling us about the prescribed grammatical rules that a group has broken, he should tell us how they have chosen to neglect the constraints of rules which no longer adequately reflect modern perceptions of what the English language should be, and they should be praised for not following the norm and striving to differentiate themselves from the herd. Instead of pointing out ambiguities or logical fallacies of a script, it would be best for him to question why the subbers have chosen to make things so, and upon rumination, he would find that such subs are a statement from fansubbers, telling the audience that Japanese anime can never be completely and coherently translated into what we perceive as “English”. So limited is the language that the only “accurate” subs must have glaring ambiguities in order to represent the gaping distance between our Western language and ideals and the language and culture of Japan.

We must, indeed, even question why we feel the need for subs at all. Why should we Westerners attempt to impress our language upon the anime of another country? Anime was not intended to be grasped by us, and by attempting to take it and control what it seeks to represent, we are in effect trying to control and subjugate the people of Japan who have made it. Anime fansubs, especially those that try to uphold the rules of “English grammar” and precise English speech, are a form of Orientalism.

Jing says:

That was a bit tl;dr for me, but I didn’t declare any of this to be Truth. I’m merely playing some devil’s advocate because I’m curious to see what people think. And I didn’t say D_S solely reviews grammar–that was just a response to PP’s statement. Thanks for keeping it classy.

MM says:

This site should be called “oppressmore”.

puddi says:

go back to /sp/

Anonymous says:

‘no’

Welp says:

I’m getting bored of this Nyaa A+ blue-quality-shit-whatever-things.
Could someone explain to me why people care so much about this shit? For research purpose.

Anonymous says:

I doubt anyone bar Kristen actually cares when groups get or don’t get A+ on Nyaa. I personally just like the drama that arises from it and do my part to add fuel to the fire.

Anonymous says:

Very common Cartel disinfo tactics in play here. They try to make serious accusations out to be “sarcasm” or “a joke” and merely laugh it off.

Really, the Syndicate should be the ones laughing, as their movement is rising. The Cartel’s days are limited – enjoy them while they last.

Googol says:

Sure, dream on.

fnord says:

Blah blah blah.

Basically all you say is wrong, since it’s based on the assumption that we don’t select A+ based on quality. Which, again, is mostly TL accuracy, since editing can be more subjective.

Want to debate A+ decisions?

Find a competent TL and ask him to list me reasons why past decisions were wrong. Until that day, none of what you say has any value whatsoever.

You’re just some tinfoil-hatted nut trying to divine the ways of the world from rotten fish innards.

Conspiracy theories exploit a known fault in the human mind, namely, the desire to seek unscientific and unfounded narrative explanations for phenomenons beyond one’s comprehension.

You’re literally that guy who walked out of his cave 10,000 years ago, saw some lightning and decided celestial beings were angry with him.

Anonymous says:

>You’re literally that guy who walked out of his cave 10,000 years ago, saw some lightning and decided celestial beings were angry with him.
That is literally and objectively impossible.

fnord says:

Bemoan the recent mutability of the word “literally” all you want, your theories are worthless.

Refer your accuracy comparisons of past A+ decisions to me on irc.rizon.net. Use /ms send fnord *text* to leave me a memo if I’m not online.

I look forward to the material that I will never receive from you.

Nigger says:

You’re basically right up there with Xythar at this point. Except, unlike you, Xythar is actually a good fansubber.

Xythar says:

Sorry, but I’m not sure I can take your opinion on who is and isn’t a good fansubber seriously unless you have a review blog with at least 500 articles on it.

Nigger says:

Oh, look… a passive aggressive jab at D_S. How unlike you, Xythar.

Xythar says:

Now this is one of your sarcastic posts, right? I think I’m getting the hang of this!

Nigger says:

>h-he caught me red handed being a passive aggressive, stuck up tool, I better try and make a funny
Seek medical help.

fnord says:

And I should care about your opinion why?

Nigger says:

I didn’t say you should. In fact, you’re the one who first replied to me and continues to reply to me.

fnord says:

You mean that long-ass pointless tl;dr is from you?

Sorry, keeping track of all you faceless nerds is hard. Mea culpa. In my head you’re all the same fuzzy entity.

If you want to talk about A+ decisions, provide me hard JP-EN evidence that decisions were flawed. I don’t judge/watch/care about BD releases; don’t waste your time.

Otherwise this discussion is over.

Nigger says:

I was never having a discussion with you, don’t flatter yourself. You’re just an irrelevant Commie song TL. You have about as much influence over the fansub scene as the average leecher lmao

Xythar says:

^ Sorry, could you clarify for me whether you’re just pretending to be dumb or whether you’re really this ignorant?

Holo says:

Lol @ “Syndicate”

btw I think “Coalition” is a better name.

Anon says:

Literally what the fuck is this “cartel” shit?

Obviously anyone involved in an anime community or similar circle is a manchild, but do fansubbers literally have the mental capacity and age of 11 year olds?

Anonymous says:

Pretty sure it’s:

– Kristen and a couple others who actually believe in the whole cartel thing

– Groups who want nothing to do with “fansub drama” (Chinese cartoon subtitles are fuckin’ serious business, yo) that actually do a solid job in their releases and never troll but get dragged into it anyways for not hating on Nyaa mods / not hating groups that SOMETIMES have troll releases but usually do a pretty good job

– Some of the “Cartel” groups and other people who don’t actually care about any of it or believe in any of it but pretend to anyways and get involved / poke fun at it because it’s funny and entertaining to watch the resulting anti-cartel shitstorm

Anonymous says:

You forgot

-people who like drama

Fansub drama is almost as fun as tripfag drama.

Anonymous says:

That’s more or less what the third point was trying to convey. Not actually caring about the drama, but adding fuel to the fire because it’s entertaining to watch.

Anonymous says:

Ah, crap. I can’t read properly. Yeah, I think that third point sums up most of us nicely.

Googol says:

“Cartel” is a currency. Only coins are available though. You see, fansub is a serious business, so it requires serious coins.

ASu says:

It just refers to groups who have members involved in running nyaa, and who therefore also determine nyaa’s ratings for various groups’ releases. The suggestion of the term ‘cartel’ is that there is a conflict of interest, and that it’s the same as having schoolkids mark their own homework.

Given the amount of graft and back-scratching I see in the public sector by career professionals, it’s hard to believe there’d be none in a legally-questionable internet organization run by random /a/-browsing chucklefucks in their late teens and twenties.

Kristen says:

The cartel are a set of fansub groups that generally work together to have a blanket spread on the season – whether they actually like the show or not – in order to make money.

They typically attempt to destroy non-cartel groups by attempting to boost up their own groups name and trashing the non-cartel groups on various message boards and chat rooms across the web.

If they manage to succeed in becoming the only force in fansubbing, their ultimate goal is to disband, effectively leaving the world without any competent subs outside of crunchyroll.

Nigger says:

Kristen, did you like my post about Cartels, the Syndicate, and the Others? Can I join the Syndicate even though I’m not a fansubber? I can lead the Syndicate’s propaganda wing.

Kristen says:

Well, I definitely laughed. Honestly, I usually say “non-cartel” instead of trying to group us all together because we usually don’t have relations to each other. For instance, Chihiro and Hatsuyuki really have nothing to do with each other (I haven’t even talked to their leader), and I don’t think we’ve even shared a staff member since Kanade passed away.

Honestly, if you want to classify groups, I’d say

Cartel:
UTW
Underwater
Commie
Vivid
Kaylith
Asenshi – to an extent
FFF – to an extent

Middle of the Road:
Anime-Koi
Chyuu

Syndicate:
Chihiro
CGi
Doki
DDY – To an extent

Others:
All groups not listed above

Anon says:

I don’t see how DDY is Syndicate.

Hairy says:

They’re the cartel’s bitch.

They so desperately want to be embraced by the cartel, but the cartel just fucks them up the ass and leaves them with nothing but a wad of warm cum inside their asshole.

Sereft says:

Lovely imagery. Are you speaking from personal experience?

sjoe says:

I’m starting to wonder if people are delusional enough to actually believe in this cartel shit. There’s only so much one does for the sake of drama(or trolling), and this farce seems to have gone beyond that. :\

Black Shads says:

Stir this up with what was stated in Nigger’s first post, and you’ve got a pretty solid idea of how it is.

Xythar says:

>The cartel are a set of fansub groups that generally work together to have a blanket spread on the season – whether they actually like the show or not – in order to make money.

Nigger says:

There is a pretty distinct difference between asking for donations to run servers and asking for donations for your own personal use.

Xythar says:

Does anyone in the “cartel” do the latter? The only people I’ve seen ask for personal-use donations were in Hatsuyuki, SHiN-gx, and the like.

Kristen says:

Donations fall in 4 categories.

1. Donations for support. These are usually about $20-$40 a month, depending on the site size. Chihiro needs about $200 since we didn’t have open donations for over a year – which was a bad move since the group lost popularity and can’t really support itself anymore.

2. Personal donations. I have no problem with a group taking donations for personal matters if it is explicitly stated. I remember Soi saying “I need money to pay for college” on the Chihiro website years ago, and that’s fine because the usage wasn’t hidden.

3. Donations that are used for unneeded resources. These are things like Xeon processor encoding boxes that happen to be a server, or BDMVs of shows that look like they’re going to be released a month late.

4. Donations that are stated to support the group, and are actually going to a person’s pockets.

I know that at least 2 years ago, most of the cartel donations were going to their pockets – such was told to me by a staff member there – and some was going to unneeded resources.

Xythar says:

“one person at one group told me that donations were being pocketed 2 years ago” -> “these five groups, two of which have never accepted donations and two of which aren’t currently accepting donations, are all pocketing donations”

So can Vivid be exempted from your “cartel” because we have no ads, no donations, and neither I nor unanimated have ever accepted a single cent for fansubbing?

Kristen says:

No, because I have no evidence that you aren’t getting windfall from other cartel groups and/or nyaa and/or horriblesubs.

Xythar says:

I have no evidence you’re not getting paid under the table by cartel groups either. Welcome to the cartel.

Kristen says:

Evidence is called logical thought. People are more likely to give money to people they like than people they hate.

Xythar says:

It’s perfectly logical if you ask me. By posting retarded conspiracy theories on the internet about the “cartel”, you increase sympathy for and drive downloaders towards those groups (for example, if Chihiro picks up a show, you can bet HorribleSubs’s download numbers are going to increase, because who would download Chihiro over HorribleSubs?)

That way, the cartel makes more money, and you get your cut.

Kristen says:

OK, then you believe that. I’ll be waiting for my check in the mail from nyaa to pay for my tuition, knives, uniform, and books.

anony says:

Further reinforcing my long-standing tradition of never giving a cent to anybody on the internets. If they need money to run their crap, mine bitcoins or something.

Hairy says:

>Does anyone in the “cartel” do the latter? The only people I’ve seen ask for personal-use donations were in Hatsuyuki, SHiN-gx, and the like.

http://fffansubs.org/?p=7346

Xythar says:

Disproving a statement I made with something that happened after I made it? You’re a clever one.

Hairy says:

I was just answering your question. Does anyone in the “cartel” do the latter (ask for donations for personal use)? Well, recent evidence points to the fact that they do.

Maybe you assumed that your brethren would never stoop to the depths of the vile, nefarious Syndicate.

Xythar says:

Vile and nefarious? According to Kristen it’s not even a problem if one states what the money is being used for, so I guess there’s no issue after all. Not to rain on your parade, though; I bet you couldn’t wait to revive this week-old discussion the moment that post went up.

Hairy says:

I agree, actually. I think that if people are honest about where the donations are going, it shouldn’t be a problem. If people know what they’re paying for, and are still happy to contribute, that’s fine.

You were the one directing thinly veiled criticism at lesser groups for asking for donations for personal matters, so it’s funny that one of your own has come along and done the same.

Xythar says:

I think you’re reading a little too far into my posts if you think that was criticism. I was simply answering Nigger on his own terms.

My personal attitude towards donations is pretty much live-and-let-live. People and groups are free to do what they like with their own money.

Kristen says:

Yeah, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with what archdeco is doing there. People who donate know and understand that by donating, they are donating for archdeco’s computer.

LotusGG says:

animetosho>nyaa>tokyotosho>crymore

qwerty says:

Damn, not even a review and we’re getting so much drama. I’m getting a good laugh out of this whole “Syndicate vs Cartel” business. I’m gonna need more popcorn.

Anon says:

All I wanted was a chart. Not sure if this is better or worse.

LotusGG says:

Sagey, you should make Kristen review those cartel releases.

Hairy says:

Next season, we need to assemble a team of the Syndicate’s best and a team of the Cartel’s best, we’ll pick a show, and they will compete one-on-one in subbing it. D_S will determine whose release is the best, and they will get A+ status on Nyaa.

Fyurie says:

That sounds like a laugh, please do. w

Zelot says:

+1
Would be the best thing ever

RDF says:

@Hairy

Fate Stay Night 2014 is the best candidate.

Nigger says:

Agreed. This really needs to happen.

Anonymous says:

This. A million times this. It would be the best thing to happen to fan subbing in years. There is literally NOTHING to lose for anyone.

1. We can finally see who is the better group
2. It’ll put all this Cartel vs. Non-Cartel shit to rest
3. Leechers will get the best possible subs for what ever show.

Please make it happen.

Anonymous says:

Both need to be original translations as that is always a standard for A+. Of course there will need to be a TL review here as well. Both should also use the same source so that the encode quality can be examined as well.

LotusGG says:

The source choice is also part of the quality control.

LotusGG says:

No, it wasn’t.
It’s just my browser sucking.
D_S my honey, please delete this comment and the P.S. part on the above.

Anonymous says:

Plenty of CR-edits have gotten A+ over original translations, so that’s not really required. It’d be more fun, though.

Anon says:

Xythar just said there is a standard for the TL. That’s why if there is to be this Cartel vs non-Cartel thing, it should be an original TL from both groups.

LotusGG says:

Please, do it with Amagi.

ItsHim says:

Kristen cares so much about SMC that he made sure, as project leader, that his folks were doing their job, submitting their work on time, and generally producing good quality work.
I mean, hell. They generally release fairly quickly after the official subs.

Oh wait. That’s commie.

LotusGG says:

too much h8 m8

a says:

I heard The Organization will soon(tm) unite all the estates and form the Club of Friendship.

LotusGG says:

Nice nickname.

Kamica says:

http://livechart.me/fall

With 14 days left, it’s time to start thinking about the Fall preview, yes?

Dark_Sage says:

An excellent idea.

RDF says:

Reviews for Roku pls.

Dark_Sage says:

Media boxes are not in-scope.

Anonymous says:

Pls D_S ;_;

Dave says:

>If they manage to succeed in becoming the only force in fansubbing, their ultimate goal is to disband, effectively leaving the world without any competent subs outside of crunchyroll.

Fuck Isis, we must stop them!

elenrod says:

D_S, you still haven’t finished reviewing Tokyo ESP. ( ゚‿ ゚)

Dark_Sage says:

I rage dropped that after Xythar informed me that the bullshit Yoda speak was legit and that Yoda actually fucking exists in the Tokyo ESP universe.

elenrod says:

But I want to see your eyes bleed.

(I also dropped it after that revelation, btw. Only the second show I perma-dropped, ever.)

EDIT: Yay, edit button!

EDIT 2: The timer doesn’t reset when you edit. (-_-)

Anon says:

D_S you promised me at least one episode of Hyobu this year.

The clock is ticking.

LotusGG says:

The tl;dr on this page is so strong that my 3g fucked off in halfway through the loading.

Nigger says:

I always get script errors when I try to load this on my phone. I guess I’m partially responsible (you’re welcome).

LotusGG says:

You fucked my bandwidth nigga

MM says:

My phone loads this just fine, it unloads the page sometimes if I scroll too fast and everything goes blank though.

Googol says:

It may be caused by the browser you are using.

Hairy says:

Yeah, that’s probably it. I was having that problem with the firefox browser on my phone, but it’s fine with Chrome.

Hobichan says:

This place is dead. I think it’s time for another review.

Anonymous says:

Agreed. Rokujouma, please. :>

LotusGG says:

I agree with your agreement.

LuneSave says:

I attempted to read all this. I’m blind now. Thanks Crymore!

FalseDawn says:

Shouldn’t have fapped so much to the dorama.

LotusGG says:

D_S won’t review cuz he’s busy with that.

just passing by says:

Can you review some Cartel releases with A+ in nyaa?

Dark_Sage says:

So, all of them?

MM says:

Is that a yes?

Dark_Sage says:

It’s not a no.

PP says:

>was only planning on watching like 10 shows during Fall
>check Taiga now
>23 shows listed for Fall

How the fuck did I let this happen?

LotusGG says:

hory shet
it supports hummingbird

LotusGG says:

I’ll marry this app.

sjoe says:

Hmph. I-It’s not that I l-liked this app, okay.

shcboomer says:

sjoe too moe.

LotusGG says:

drama when

PP says:

Aldnoah.Zero’s ending?
Yeah… about that…

elenrod says:

SPOILERS

Hope they still have enough characters for season 2.

dannphou says:

So, how’s the best subs for Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, I kinda need to catch up, since I left off where FBI stopped?

Aru says:

You can either watch CR (Hulu, Daisuki, …) or Doki. That’s it.

GeassGx says:

Doki, STiNX or CR

LotusGG says:

Isn’t that the same as saying “any shit will do it”?

fnord says:

As far as I know, Doki is an original translation adapted from Baka-Tsuki. STiNX rips CR and makes some amount of edits I don’t know. CR comes from Aniplex.

LotusGG says:

I said that because these 3 are the only groups doing mahouka now.

CorrectMorning says:

Correct choice is to have stopped watching that show long before FBI stopped subbing it.

Justinnnnnn says:

I’m actually quite excited for this next season.

Holy Sh– dat Edit option. gj DS.

PP says:

So many harems though, there’s like 6 or 7, I don’t even.
Anime is so ded, our only hope is fansubbers and Trigger.

Justinnnnnn says:

I’ll watch the first few eps of Trigger’s anime because I’m an Imaishifag, but I’m not keeping expectations high for this adaptation. Until they have several shows under the belt and an experienced team, I don’t think Imaishi and Yoshinari will do anything incredible (so long as it’s TV-related, since LWA is pretty stelar).

Actually they’re a lot of sequels, but at least they’re sequels to enjoyable shows : ) It’s been a long time since I watched two (let’s not even talk about three) animes at the same time.

Xythar says:

I don’t think Imaishi has anything to do with Inou-Battle.

Justinnnnnn says:

Didn’t check staff, but if you say so. Then again, I think Imaishi and other “top” members would have a hand in everything that’s related to the studio they created, even more so during their first TV shows.

Dark_Sage says:

gj to everyone who bitched at me about it enough to finally get it implemented. (Seriously, love you guys. Without ya this place would be borked harder than a prostitute’s self-esteem. <3)

Sky says:

D_S, fall preview when?
It’s hard to pick animu without your god-tier taste.

Justinnnnnn says:

( ¬‿¬) I second this.

LotusGG says:

Time for a new Off-Topic.

Kamica says:

Might as well let it go for one more week since that’s when the new season starts.

Dark_Sage says:

Agreed, but give me a bit. I wanna put it up after the fall preview is done and we switch over to the new season.

PP says:

>almost 2 weeks since last anything
Is D_S finally dead? Are we free yet?

Sky says:

RIP D_S ;_;

Anonymous says:

S-still no Rokujouma review. ;_;

Justinnnnnn says:

Now, now…This is like the eleventh time this happens, I’m sure he is daijoubu.

Zelot says:

Fall season preview when

Solaristics says:

When you become a “supreme” MAL mod ( ¬‿¬)

Anonymous says:

>being proud of having any association at all with that cancerous community
Jokes on you.

rarely_upset says:

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Zelot says:

obv bait is obv

PP says:

But he has good taste.

Zelot says:

i’m not gonna lie, i have shit taste and i admit it. I love cliche and harems.
give me a terrible romance and i will treasure it forever.

PP says:

>commie picks thank you for terror back up and finishes it in a week going from last to first
Funny guys, these ones are.

flipr says:

Who should I watch for Kaiba? I don’t remember my oldsub groups very well… I know people were all about frostii, so I figured I’d go with them, but I thought I’d see if there were any better subs.

Jing says:

I’ll be touching up the FB-Ureshii subs for an encoder I know who wants to release a DVD batch, but they’re already very good if you’d rather not wait.

Eternal_Blizzard says:

Nah, Frostii (F-B & Ureshii) at the time they subbed it is your best and only option.

stushi says:

Anyone have any advice on dealing with mono? It’s fucking everything up in my life right now. (hey this is off-topic after all)

Dark_Sage says:

Based off what I’ve read, I think you’re just gonna have to ganbarre your way through it. And by ganbarre, I mean relax and get rest.

PP says:

Watching the same episode of Sailor Moon 4 times in a row and then playing Danganronpa 2?
Not even once, that shit kills.

Dark_Sage says:

After previews. Running down to the hotel market to grab some more energy drinks right now.

Anonymous says:

So you can stay up all night to work on that Rokujouma review? ;)

PP says:

Hyped for Sora no Method and Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso this season.
I noticed Kaylith is doing them both which worries me because everything they subbed last season ended up being trash.

qwerty says:

I liked Zankyou.

The other two were probably literally the two worst anime of that season though.

774 says:

Is it just me, or are CR’s subs pretty damn good for their speed?

I used to hate CR’s subs, but recently, they’ve been consistently good (with honorifics, for those of you who care) without all the damn drama that comes from fan-subs.

KoolKidsK says:

CR can do speed because they get the episode before it even airs (I’m assuming by at least a week.)
For reference, Eveyuu had access to a leaked Chinese-subbed raw to No Game No Life just like 8 hours or less before it actually aired. They got a barebones v0 out of it out about an hour and a half before HorribleSubs got it out (I’m assuming CR is usually ripped within give or take 10-20 of it being released. someone correct me if I’m wrong.) That’s just like 8 hours before air. Imagine what you could do if you got it a week or two.

LotusGG says:

It’s a day, not a week(for simulcasts, at least).

Dark_Sage says:

I need to get my shit together :<

Kamica says:

If you get your act together quickly you can still call it a “Fall 2014 preview” instead of something else like “Fall 2014 early impressions”

The only stuff subbed so far:
1. Terra Formars
2. Gundam Reco
3. Denki-gai no Honya-san

Selector doesn’t count because it’s a sequel. Danna doesn’t count because it’s a short. Tribe Cool Crew doesn’t count because it’s a kids show.

So you’re lucky that the season is off to a slow start.

Dark_Sage says:

False. Danna counts because the Winter Jack says so.

Mehrwerfer says:

Anyone knows why Chihiro stopped releasing on Nyaa?
On the website they released Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance – Episode 12 and on Nyaa the newest Episode is 7 …

Fyurie says:

I can think of a few reasons.

Darkseid says:

Because nyaa is biased :P

PP says:

They just uploaded an episode of Grisaia.

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