Off Topic – v11 Edition
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One day we will reach triple digits and that day will be a glorious one.
And FUNimation will still have no concept of spoken English.
Lmao. Dark_Sage, pls. When using too much size it fucks shit up.
Don’t blame me, blame the memes.
In the interest of keeping the OT readable, I have spoilered thine shenanigans. Don’t worry though — the way spoiler tags work, this breaks the site further.
i miss xythar ;)
seraph of the drama review when
and y this not transparent on recent comments section
Certainly not tonight. Tomorrow… I do have fansub bullshit slotted for tomorrow, but I’m still not sure what I’m gonna be doing. I’d like to go by the poll if possible, but who knows what I’ll be feeling like.
Never mind, I took a nap and now my priorities have shifted. Fansub comparison
tonightfirst, Seraph. It’s third in the poll even after one review had already been posted so I’d like to get it out of the way.
I don’t have Tengen Toppa archived for some reason, any opinions on whose subs to hunt for?
All of them? Not like ripping subs from inferior encodes and muxing them to better ones is all that difficult.
I’m not sure I understand, are you suggesting I hunt down every translation, rip out the lines, find the best video, and paste in line by line whichever lines I think are best for each sentence of dialogue?
I’m just asking who had the best translation here :-/
Well, I mean, that’s going to be sort of hard to determine due to the messy numbers of releases out there. I think in general people consider the Order and BSS subtitle bases to be superior to the official translation. As for whether that’s objectively true, I can’t much say.
The R1 subs (the ones on the BDs) are perfectly fine. I went with the EG release when I was rewatching TTGL the last time and found no issue with the encode either. CBM should be fine too.
There was this Kro fella who put Order subs on a BD video and released them under the tag [Nostalgic], but he only reached ep8 before disappearing…
I’ve recently seen your MAL, are your scores faithful to your opinions? I don’t see many people giving Ergo Proxy ‘9’ and Berserk ‘2’.
Yeah my scores are accurate. Well, at least relatively, since I grade on a flat 10% are 10s, 10% are 9s, etc.
What program is used to edit subtitles, and how hard would it be to go in and correct a typo I found in a show I archived without messing up complicated things like font or timing?
Notepad, but first you gotta extract the .ass sub file.
Just go get MKVToolNix (Google is your friend) and use mkvextract (or “MKVExtractGUI”) to get the subs out. Then use notepad to correct the typo and mux the subs back in using mkvmerge (or “mmg” as in MkvMergeGui).
It may sound complicated, but it’s super easy.
Editing subs is super fucking easy.
You’re gonna need a few things:
1. mkvtoolnix (https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html)
2. mkvextractgui-2 (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mkvextractgui-2/)
3. Aegisub (http://www.aegisub.org/)
Install the relevant shit, then open up MKV extract. Input file is the MKV file. This’ll pop up a bunch of shit under “Tracks”. Just put a checkbox by whatever is associated with subtitles. This will usually be Track 3. Open up the subfile and then scroll to the relevant line… then make your changes to the subfile directly. (Since you installed Aegisub, the subfile will look like the Illuminati or someshit is staring at you.)
Once you’ve made your changes, save the file, then open up mkvmerge and just drag&drop the original MKV and the new subfile. Make sure to uncheck the old subs under “Tracks, chapters and tags”. Then click “Start muxing”.
Everything should work as it usually does. For example, here’s a screenshot where I changed every line in the show to indicate my opinion of it and the fonts still work:
I’d include other images, but I like to be thorough, so it’d be an entire article for what’s a simple process once you know all the tricksy shit. I dunno, maybe I should make a Youtubs video about this.
Still, using Aegisub to correct a typo is a bit of an overkill…
You could do it through notepad, sure, but if you’re already downloading shit you may as well get some hands-on experience with Aegi. Only an enthusiast’s gonna bother to go through the process anyway.
You see, bother is the keyword here.
“Ah, fuck this shit.” – me running Aegisub for the first time.
I’m slightly disappointed the answer isn’t yes, you can edit the mkv file with one program in about 10 seconds. This is more work than a single typo is worth.
I’ll probably do it anyway…
You can just open the subtitles through aegisub.
Just drag and drop the mkv onto aegisub, then choose Open subtitles from Video from the File menu.
What you need mkvtoolnix and mkvextractgui/mkvcleaver for is to get the fonts and then muxing.
Sage, if you think “panties” is an intriguing premise, I’ve got a fortune in Vagria to sell you.
Also, has anyone noticed that panties suck? Seriously, it’s all like, “Hah! You expected poon but it was I, panties!” Literally worse than Hitler.
Edge of Tomorrow in anime form was what I was expecting from the first ep. RIP my dreams.
I’m still not convinced you weren’t born yesterday, fella. An anime that uses its early episodes to set up a clear choice for itself between “tedious ecchi hijinks” and “interesting shit” will always go for “tedious ecchi hijinks” (Sakurasou is the exception that proves the rule).
Is this a screen from punchline? I too was hoping that show might be something more than the overdone standard ecchi hijinks. I’ve heard it isn’t and avoided it.
The punch line is in the title. Literally.
I still have the feeling it will get better.
Ep1 was crazy and 2-4 they were just throwing information at your face and building the plot to something bigger, and that’s clear as water.
And more than that, the show is funny enough to entertain anyone, it’s not just ecchi.
ps: this was supposed to be a reply to d_s comment right above
I sure hope so. I know a lot of people are still hype about it, but I’ve been let down too many times to trust in Japan again.
May it end not intriging enough it will still be fun tho
I made some fansubbers mad by pointing out how shit they were. Will you tell me how proud of me you are and come to my ball game now, D_S?
That’s all I ever wanted. ;_;
Did DDY just sneak in a TL note?
Yes. All the names are jokes and that one was an easy one to explain via typesetting. So we went with it.
but how does that retain the humor at all
why not just localize it
plus if you do then you get a 10/10 brother bear meme :^)
watched full context on that and it works better than the screenshot indicated
So funimation strips honorifics and the like to localize their releases as much as possible, but then does this?
Non-Funi versions of Arslan are in trouble. Fedsubs is taking a one-month break, Kaitou hasn’t released an episode in weeks and even the mentally-challenged person behind Senketsu Subs isn’t ripping subs from the Funi version. Who will save us from Funimation?
a better taste?
A better taste of what? Chicken? Mashed potatoes?
A better taste in anime, I believe he is saying. Though I myself don’t watch this show, so I won’t comment.
And yes, the person behind Senketsu “subs” is the great LadyMatoiRyuko, who is one annoying individual, and indeed, probably is mentally challenged, if her mannerisms are anything to go by.
Yeah, I understood him. I was just mocking him for the whole childish, “you watch a show that I don’t like, therefore I believe your taste in animated television shows to be inferior to mine” nonsense that we all see so much.
>taking it seriously
is there a resource on comma rules in the English language that you would embrace, i.e. a resource that an ESL person can trust?
My Oxford Dictionary (book) only acknowledges that commas exist, whereas my country’s high school taught to not use them, presumably, because no teacher has any clue either.
I’ve noticed this entire issue seems to be of some importance in your reviews.
Oh geez, uhh… I’ll have to do some research. And if I don’t get back to you today, keep pressing me on it.
Commas are such a basic part of English that I find it disturbing they’ve just been ignored in your studies.
Okay, so there’s honestly too much stuff out there for me to parse through to find the one true source of knowledge.
That will give you a decent overview of common comma scenarios… but for an exhaustive list you might want something like The Chicago Manual of Style (look for a PDF online) or some other style guide. The Chicago Manual is what we were given in high school to use as a reference.
I’m in the same boat as ESL; my teachers also didn’t teach us how to use commas at all, so I appreciate your reply and thanks for the references.
This is precisely why I come here. Thanks. <3
Given the comments in a certain recent post, I think it’s time for another post about fansub donation drives. Am I right?
Unless something big comes up, I’m not particularly seeing a need to focus on that subject in a thread of its own.
Do you support fansub donation drives that are used for their intended purpose?
I tolerate them.
I wonder how many people outside US get this joke.
I, for one, felt kind of lost on that. I asked what that is all about, and I learned it was the company’s catchphrase. herkz explained that the original line and theirs are almost identical in terms of the intended joke. But alas, nobody would ever understand that if you’re not living in ‘Murica.
Okay, PunchLine DEFINITELY got to the point I was waiting for.
The genetically superior W are trying to take over the world and they use German words like Uber. I seriously wonder what this is a reference to…
to the most kawaii kaiser ever, who else
Kaiser Reinhard? http://a.pomf.se/nzvksw.jpg
Hey D_S, ever tried SVP to watch 60/120 fps animu?
I use CCCP as my testing suite, so I just keep using that.
Someone else here might have some experience with it though.
(FYI, it looks like shit when interpolated to 60fps. If you disable a bunch of things to make it look not like shit, it only makes pans and zooms 60fps, which is a bit jarring since everything else is still at like 10-15 fps)
It looks like dogshit unless you like seeing artificial frames http://a.pomf.se/dyezxd.jpg
It’s not bad for live action stuff, though.
You have to follow this guide: http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Watching_anime
SVP is not optimal for anime, because the contours are too sharp. Like jabashque pointed out you have to disable some stuff and then you end up with only pans and zooms in 60fps.
I think it looks better with SVP but to each their own. (btw it also doesn’t work on toasters)
I thought you couldn’t use madvr while using SVP, or is that incorrect?
I am so dead. Please keep Crymore safe while I recover.
RIP, D_S. ;_;7
how many times can you die without actually dying
egaS_kraD is your twin!
You can, all that’s needed for SVP is ffdshow raw video filter in MPC.
EDIT: oops meant to reply to anon above about SVP and madvr.
I’ve no idea what will happen with the TS if you enable MadVR’s smooth motion since I don’t use it, but using the filter, before the subtitle rendering for sure will ruin every single sign.
I use it and don’t seems bad. AFAIK madvr smooth motion does no interpolation.
You are correct about madvr’s smooth motion. And yeah I use it too and it doesn’t mess with typesetting, though I imagine svp would
can som1 confirm this is fo real http://i.imgur.com/syGfjgW.jpg
It’s pretty real.
funi is saving fansub
*slaying FANSUB, saving anime
What show is this?
Mikagura Gakuen Kumikyoku.
Not sure if this is Funi’s fault or HorribleSubs’s… and checking is a lot of effort. :<
It was Funi’s fault, but they already replaced it with the fixed version on their service. Meanwhile, HorribleSubs reissued Mikagura Ep. 8, but it’s still the same broken version for some reason.
By broken, you mean the TL? Isn’t Funi already having those issues before?
No, by broken, I mean this:
The subtitles are rendered with an opaque background and are fucking huge, resulting in the subs also being cut off.
Doesn’t matter since Horriblesubs took down their own release.
hi, since fff seem to have dropped yahari, could you forget about them and review it?
pretty please with sparkles and glitter :)
Maybe he’ll review it when they show an episode of Commie’s Yahari at some gay anime con
Find me at Momocon, shove a whisky in my hands, and I’ll cut out a couple hours for the review this weekend. :)
You know I would if I didn’t live on the other side of the world, D_S :(
Hey Dark_Sage, you’re constantly lamenting how anime is no longer relevant and fansubbing is dead, why not take us back to a happier time?
In the past I would just archive Coalgirls/THORA, when I found your website a few months ago I became a little more selective, I have at least one show I archived the horriblesubs tv version of because everyone else chose to add inferior subs to the BD raws.
Why not give us an article on all the shows/subs you thought were worthy of being added to your archive. Even if it’s just a set of print-screens of all the file folders? I trust your judgement; no analysis necessary.
Well, what I archive may not necessarily be the highest quality release. Often, I’ll just pick up releases from groups I have friends in. For example, back when Interrobang was releasing, their QC was shit and I could hardly ever recommend their subs, yet I still went with them cuz I was chummy with the guys in the group.
One other thing to note is that I don’t really archive much anymore. Crymore takes precedence over old anime for me, so I just tend to… forget about everything from past seasons. I’d be surprised if I had many complete seasons from the past few years on my hard drives.
Again I’m surprised by your response to one of my questions. I thought part of the motivation for running a website like this must surely be an almost compulsive need to find the best quality subs and archive them; like a digital version of a comic-book or first-edition collector.
>I have at least one show I archived the horriblesubs tv version of because everyone else chose to add inferior subs to the BD raws.
I hope you’re not talking about FFF’s NouCome
I certainly hope he did because I did that and plan to add many more HS to my archives if the subs are good. DameDesuYo, Underwater, and Doki are the only three I seek these days depending on the show and can tolerate any added liberal lines. Get’s to a certain level of annoyance, dropped. I detest the rest.
Is this trolling?
Look, D_S, someone started releasing HD episodes of that pretty decent Kana Ueda show you’re so obsessed with: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=696710&showcomments=c1d8ba2f
I thought vivid had a better encode :/
If you’re expecting competence from fansubbers, you’re looking at the wrong scene.
Everyone makes mistakes, simulcasting companies too. It’s not exclusive to fansubbers.
I’m pretty sure they’re already aware of what happened here and will fix it.
Indeed. Batches absolve all mistakes. How dare people point them out despite knowing this?
I’m not excusing the mistake, hell, I’m a QC, I spend my time going around telling people what they’ve fucked up.
I’m calling you out for instantly assuming we’re all shit because things happen every now and again.
I for one care very little about the quality of the video in the initial release, I’m usually waiting for the BD anyway.
Script + typesetting + karaoke are all that matters.
And how exactly are you “calling me out” here? I’ve got like a thousand posts detailing why you can’t expect fansubbers to not fuck something up.
You wanna make a post about how the scene’s so perfect? Be my guest. You still have author rights.
Comparing apples to oranges (in terms of the different fansubbing groups/staff) is one thing, but whatever.
I won’t even start this debate as we’ll be here all day and I really don’t care enough about it to write a post about it either.
You’re implying that fansubbers haven’t called every other group shit since the dawn of time. Hell, fansub wars used to be a thing way back when (they were glorious).
Eh, this is true.
Fyurie, if you’re going to be saying “Everyone makes mistakes”, you shouldn’t be so quick to jump from a couple of terminology errors that were made (due to me never seeing the series before and not knowing what will happen, of course) to “They do no QC at all!”
It’s like the people who claimed CGi didn’t QC Tsukimonogatari because a sign said “Insert medals” when “tokens” was more appropriate, regardless of the fact that there were 246 QC changes made in the final release.
Actually it probably has to do with you also introducing errors in typesetting and terminology for some weird ‘consistentcy’ you have with your past eps that are just errors too.
Wow, I introduced errors into the typesetting on Ange? That must have taken a ton of skill, considering the only typesetting was the titles.
Govna, you have a problem, and a serious one, of wanting to always play devil’s advocate with me. Get help.
pls just actually try with your subs. There needs to be a good BD release group.
That’s impossible Govna, because to you effort just comes from the name of the file. If you see “Commie” you ignore the errors and claim it to be a high effort release. If you see “Coalgirls” you take out your magnifying glass and call it a low effort release because the pixel at 1123, 714 is at 1123, 713.
Effort and quality is not respective of your opinion. You just care as to how you can disagree with me and call me trash.
Seriously, get help.
Now you’re just being silly and making a fool of yourself.
It’s like the only groups to exist are commie and coalgirls.
I’ll have you know I’m a hiryuu whynot man myself.
See, more disagreeing just to disagree with me instead of actually considering the points I make.
I swear, I could say the sky is blue and you’d say “No, there’s a cloud in it”.
Here, I’ll put it in simpler terms, Govna. I was talking to Fyurie, I wasn’t talking to you. So kindly stop sticking your nose in stuff that isn’t your business.
Not until you stop subbing bad.
Oh, then you can stop now.
Isn’t it about time for your yearly ragequit?
Good one, but no. I’m glad you think that highly of me, though.
That looks like a hopeless cases where masking Funimation’s video won’t go well.
Just by a glance, I can see that’s a scene that was dimmed by the station so that they don’t get people having epileptic seizures like in Pokemon’s Polygon episode.
You basically can’t fix that. There’s only so much magic an encoder can do.
Bullshit. Any encoder worth their salt can un-dim those seizure scenes.
This is a simple case of Vivid’s encoder getting lazy, and them not having anyone QC the final prior to release.
It’s not just dimmed; there’s also frame blending going on. And fixing frameblending usually leads to lost detail iirc.
So… Too hard, don’t bother? Just release the worst looking shit possible.
And detail loss? They’re pasting MX video. There’s no detail to begin with.
Again, it’s just the encoder being lazy and not checking their sources to make sure they would merge together properly.
And if they actually did Quality Checking, which this fiasco is evidence that they don’t, they would have seen how ugly it is and fixed it before releasing.
They’re pasting MBS video if I recall correctly.
You still bring up the valid point that someone should’ve actually spotted this in the first place though, considering that if this is one of those anti-seizure scenes, then it would’ve been quite visible for a few seconds.
What’s the problem with this guy? I do watch this and I’m not even complaining.
Not that I have details on how exactly the people involved QC this show, but one possibility is that the QCer(s) checked the script with the workraw (which was possibly encoded solely from MBS) rather than with the final Funi+MBS encode.
And sometimes people are blind to encoding goofs when they trust that the encoder wouldn’t screw up this badly and end up assuming that it’s a problem in the source. This situation has also happened to me once (where I was the encoder), so it’s perfectly understandable that non-encoders would gloss over glaring encoding issues.
At least we now know Vivid don’t bother QCing their releases. Sure their hopeless TLC and their Junior High editor’s lingo might slip past QC, but even a half blind retard could see that that scene is fubar.
You sound like you really dislike Vivid.
No. I dislike how they’ve handled this show. I mean, I absolutely adore Vivid’s Gochuumon, for example.
But this abomination, ugh. There’s been examples of errors introduced during TLC, and the script reads like bad teen fiction. And now we see the encoder is too lazy to check the source video, and they as a group don’t collectively have enough pride in their work to quality check the final product.
Vivid has gone from being a welcome relief to the fansub scene to Commie Jr. It’s a fucking shame. And only by being vocal about it will Xythar take heed and pull his head out of his ass, though all he’ll probably do is cry on his twitter feed some more.
You should never expect to hear from Xythar anywhere to be honest. He’ll only whine on his twitter where you can’t respond, or talk to you in a situation where he has power and numbers (such as nyaa where he’s a moderator, or Vivid where his butt buddies are there to support him).
He’s honestly nothing more than a coward.
You could just join a channel on IRC he’s in???
He talks everywhere.
The sky is blue.
What is this, 4chan where people just go >irc?
No. I could go into a whole thing about how if you talk to him on IRC he’ll have a whole bunch of friends there to gang up on you, but I’ve simply decided that it’s not worth my time to argue with you as you simply disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing.
So I’ll simply say “The Sky is Blue” because you’ll argue about it being grey whenever you bother to argue with me.
You could just PM him.
Maybe you being this bad at problem solving is why your releases are always so bad.
Maybe you being this argumentative is why you have no friends.
See, now you really are just making a fool of yourself.
It’s not like he actively asks other people to make fun of you, and private messages are also a thing.
You could even have created a Twitter account to send him messages, but seeing that you haven’t, you clearly are not any less of a coward than you think Xythar is.
I doubt Kristen will ever do that.
>Maybe you being this argumentative…
I can’t understand why Kristen is acting like this.
>you clearly are not any less of a coward than you think Xythar is.
You’re not really one to talk about Cowardice. Get a real handle.
>I doubt Kristen will ever do that.
But I have. March 29 2014, April 5 2014, January 8 2015, and April 28 2015 according to my chat logs.
3/29 – Small request to do an April Fool’s joke in which Commie and Chihiro jointed.
4/5 – Discussion about Hanasaku Iroha being marked red by CGi and clarification as to why Thora’s Time of Eve wasn’t marked red in the same situation.
1/8 – Response to his twitter rant about my encode of Twintails, as well as clarifying why I was doing the show in the first place.
4/28 – Thanking him for giving motivation to continue subbing.
What’s interesting is the only discussion that had to do with subbing was immediately posted on his twitter and shared with his friends. Reason is simple. Even in a private message, you are not talking to him privately. He will make the situation so that all of his friends will gang up on you. While I was having that conversation with him, I almost immediately got another message from furzee saying the same things Xythar was.
It’s sheer and utter cowardice.
Why are we talking cowardice when you’re sitting here on a place that you know your Mortal Enemy doesn’t visit and talking shit about him?
He does Govna. Daily. Maybe even multiple times. That’s why anything posted here about him or his groups is posted on his twitter within hours.
And he has every right to reply to me here. But he won’t, outside of spite, because he’s a coward and doesn’t want to say nasty things to me in a place where he knows I can say nasty things back and he can’t block me.
And you’re not a coward for confronting him elsewhere because…?
Because I have Govna. IRC, Bakabt, here, I’ve used all methods except twitter because I feel 120 characters or less is not a way to get out what I want to say.
Result is the same. Unless he can prevent a backlash, he won’t post.
And so your solution is to keep shit talking him as much as you can?
And that puts you in some elevated position?
That’s a question more directed at him and yourself than me.
Kristen, please don’t misrepresent things. I’ve seen him reply numerous times on BakaBT, you’re just asshurt because he’s often objectively right.
As far as why he won’t reply here, he refuses to interact with the site on principle, which is fine. He can easily be reached elsewhere.
5 months, CoffeeFlux, since his last post.
Also Coffeeflux, I don’t know what “principle” there is, seeing how he checks the site first thing in the morning when he wakes up every day.
He’s kinda like a kid who says he’ll never eat chocolate ice cream again because it gets on his clothes all the time, and then just sneaks it in whenever nobody is looking.
Kristen, have you hacked his webcam or something? Because it’s a little creepy that you claim to know Xythar’s morning routine >.>
As you’re the editor on this show, I’m sure you could provide some input, perhaps debate some of the points raised here. But, “hurr”.
I suppose this caveman response is indicative of the care you have for the show.
Let me know when you’re going to start taking pride in your work and I’ll reconsider avoiding shows that you’ve worked on.
No, honey, my “hurr” is a response to your caveman-like rant, indicative of the amount of amusement I found in your posts. Enjoy the attention while it lasts, though.
I’m not surprised you find criticism amusing. When someone points out a serious flaw with your groups release and you choose to respond with “hurr”, it’s not at all surprising.
I’ll actually engage you with a lengthy reply, mostly because I’m bored, but partly because I actually would like to see Vivid return to the quality alternative they once were rather than the shit shoveling slackers they’ve become.
This whole thread here started because your group released a shit encode.
Now, you could have stayed quiet and let it blow over.
You could have come in to defend yourself, your work, your comrades.
You could have perhaps explained to everyone how a seriously bad encode, one that should have been caught during QC, made it to release.
You could have came and apologized to your viewers and reassured them that a V2 is pending or that it’ll be fixed in batch.
But you did none of that. You went “hurr”. And you’ve now followed it up with an attempt at being bitchy. Unfortunately, I’m not 14 and I don’t attend your high school, so it isn’t impressing me.
However, you have managed to reinforced my suspicion that you have no pride in your work. You have no pride in the groups you work for. And you give the impression that Vivid has no pride in their releases. You are the fansubber who’s damaging your own reputation, and that of the groups you associate with, with your flippant attitude.
As for attention? I’m a pseudo anonymous shitposter who’s criticizing your work. I’m a nobody. And honestly, I couldn’t give two shits if you replied to me or not, which you shouldn’t have. So I was surprised you bothered replying, considering the fact that I don’t even watch your releases anymore. Was it not clear that I dropped your releases in favor of the competition?
I was hyped for Seraph at the start of the season. So when it came time to decide on my RSS feeds, I blindly chose Vivid, based purely on reputation and my satisfaction with their prior releases. But what I ended up with was utter tripe. Though I stuck with it, blaming the show for the bad dialogue, rather than Vivid’s TLC and edits. It wasn’t until D_S posted his comparisons that I realized I was the fool for not considering other releases.
But back to the main criticism, the fucked-up encode. Do you intend to talk about that? You can ignore it, you can reassure everyone that it’ll be fixed, or you can continue to show the people watching this thread the sort of attitude you and the groups you associate with have towards their releases.
Yikes. Gonna be honest with you man, you could’ve just said the entire point of that essay in like, two lines.
A few things:
1) Calling your expletive-fuelled outburst “criticism” would, quite frankly, be doing huge a disservice to the definition.
2) In what way, shape, or form, is anyone ignoring the encode issue? Or even denying it, for that matter? It’s obviously clear that a mistake slipped past. I had no idea that you needed another mouth to affirm that yes, there was an error, and yes, it shouldn’t have been there. Obviously, the natural, unspoken solution is that a v2 will be released, something that incidentally finished encoding no less than 17 or so hours ago. Perhaps you should stop making empty assumptions on things you haven’t the slightest clue about.
3) You’re making a ludicrously huge deal out of something that happens from time to time. That’s what I find amusing. Not your “criticism”. Why don’t you take your own advice, acknowledge that we messed up, and move on? That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. Don’t bother responding, because I certainly won’t be.
fff picked yahari up again, so you can totally make a review now, right ?
All this time and they could only manage three episodes? Guess it goes to prove the old adage: “trash in, trash out”.
Review punchline or plastic memories then
With all that free time I have, I should be able to finish off my review queue tonight.
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OT v12 when?
when the drama ends
you already know the answer then
Dramas won’t end, but things might stand still for a while. v11 is quite lengthy now, so I guess it’s timely. Yet, still D_S’s call.
v12 tonight, yeah.
but it’s still only 165 comments
I’m aiming for one a month until I can figure out a way to reverse comments so the newest ones display first on just the OTs.
Disqus isn’t half bad, though is not as drama friendly as the current system
imagine a drama-less crymore
yeah, won’t work.
Holyyyyy shit. That’s a lot of drama over one (pretty minor) encoding issue.
But I suppose it is Vivid, so a polarized discussion is to be expected.
Stupid drama like this is why I’m just gonna ditch the fansubbing scene. Don’t need any more bullshit in my life.
Better ditch this handle too.
just stop reading the comments lol
i do because it’s funny
>why I’m just gonna ditch the fansubbing scene
What? You know you can just not read comments, especially on websites like Crymore.
Jesus Christ, so much shitty fansub fanboys nowadays.
It’s amusing how everyone’s reacting to this ‘dorama’ – you do realise this is just normal fansub dorama, right? Nothing to get excited about and certainly no reason to ditch the “fansubbing scene”. Or did I miss the memo that said this shit stopped happening on a regular basis?
I suppose /a/ doesn’t really talk about fansubs anymore so you don’t get the same level of trolling you used to get. But man, some of you need to grow thicker skins (and hold your hands up when you genuinely make a mistake – we all do it, there’s no shame in it).
More like I got tired of this bullshit always happening for no good reason.
And since I don’t actually do any fansubbing in the first place (always quitted before the season began), there wasn’t even a need for me to hang around anyway.
Yo, jabashque? It’s your friend. Why you gotta leave me behind, man? That ain’t cool. It makes me sad.
All dorama surrounding fansubs and fansubbers has been bullshit for no good reason, and it’s been that way since the beginning of digital fansubbing (if not before). Fansubbing and dorama go hand in hand. Hell, Crymore wouldn’t get nearly as much traffic if it wasn’t for these pockets of dorama bubbling up all the time over stuff that’ll be forgotten by the end of the month.
Yeah. Unfortunately, the reason behind it is simple. With many groups out there, they can justify subbing a show with another group on it if they can provide something the other cannot or will not. For instance, if a group subs something fast, you could say you provide more quality. Or if they sub it localized, you can say you provide subs closer to the source.
As most fansubbers want people to download their work, they have two options. Self-promotion or tearing down the opposition, just like in politics. Unlike politics, though, there’s not much you can do in terms of self promotion. “Look how good this TS is I did!” doesn’t fly well. So the only option to try to get more downloads is to investigate the competing release and bash it to pieces.
People don’t like being called useless or crap, so they fight back. And this is how dorama begins.
What is funny is when groups dig themselves into holes just for the sake of dorama. Like Commie picking up the Nisekoi BDs just when I was about done with my final batch lead them to have another eternally stalled BD. Or me picking up Cross Ange just to spite herkz lead me to have a jam packed BD schedule for the next couple months… And then I later found out that it wasn’t even a herkz project but something from some guy named skiddiks who I had never even heard of before. Q_Q
>picking up Cross Ange just to spite herkz
That just sounds completely pointless and very hypocritical on your part, given how much you claim Commie and co. pick up shows just to “steal downloads” from your group.
Have you considered simply not paying attention to other groups and focusing purely on putting out solid releases? I assure you people will stop all picking on you then.
Let me tell you a little story.
Back in 2009, Chihiro picked up Asu no Yoichi and Akikan. Jaka had formed Coalguys for the sole purpose of pissing me off at the time, so he picked up the exact same shows. And with his subs, he would continually post negative things about Chihiro.
I wanted to post things back to him about his own errors, however the staff in Chihiro continually told me “No, don’t feed the troll and he’ll go away”. This grew frustrating because even though for month (since he picked up ef), I hadn’t even said a word yet he was still continuing his trolling.
And that’s when I learned an important lesson. In 4chan or forums, sure, they’ll get bored and leave if you leave them alone. In fansubs, trolling the other group leads to more downloads for your group and less for theirs.
Since Chihiro wouldn’t allow me to troll back, I formed Coalgirls for that explicit purpose. I would take the Coalguys subs for the show they loved, Toradora, and present it exactly how they didn’t want to see it – on TV Osaka, 720p, and “Coal” trolls would be removed. Further, the name would cause Jaka a continual headache as people would be asking his as to why he was formed a group to release 720p Toradora.
And it worked. I then tried to expand the troll by doing a complete rush sub of Toradora 21 under the name “DSC” with a random TL I knew (I know it stood for an insult to Coalguys but I can’t remember what it was…), but that wound up being a failure because the translator was too slow.
After Toradora ended, I put Coalgirls to rest. They blog had been taken down, and the troll was only semi-successful, so I went back to focusing on Chihiro.
When Haruhi started, I was expecting good groups to work on it. But then it only wound up being gg-Coalguys working on it with trolls like “Delorean” at the start. Not wanting to see this, I restarted CGi to do Haruhi without the trolls and in 720p (which was pretty crappy to do… At least Toradora had a good looking source). They dropped it after 1 episode, and so did I.
This was the last time I subbed a show for the purpose of trolling until Cross Ange.
What about the other shows between then and now? The first shows I picked up – White Album and Tayutama – were actually only picked up for practice. I had no idea how to encode a BD and was responsible for the K-On! BDs (which I honestly should’ve just let Soi do). So I decided to revive CGi to practice BDs so that they got bashed for my initial mistakes rather than Chihiro.
I later did Toradora DVDs because I wanted to actually watch the show (the original was just a shift/mux), and was looking at other things. And then I stumbled upon the ED of Bakemonogatari. I loved that song so much that I decided to do Bakemonogatari.
Of course… Bake wasn’t the walk in the park that any show I had done in the past had been. It had its own issues with shifting and block typesetting, but yeah.
From that point (September 2009) to pretty recently (November 2014), all shows were like that. I found a show, liked it, and did it.
In December, I was looking through fall shows and was heavily disappointed with the offerings. I decided to do Twintails for one reason – it involved a guy turning into a girl. That’s it. It’s a fantasy of what I’d like my real life to be. I was hoping for something a little more Kampferish, of course, but regardless. I decided to use P subs because they read more how I liked to read them. Commie’s are usually filled with unnecessary swearing, and often times overliberal translations.
Xythar released his own version of Twintails, which was fine. But then he decided that to try to boost up his download counts, he would investigate my release and publicize any issues he found. He found an encoding error that he splattered over 4chan and his blog.
In the end, it was really only noticeable in 1 or 2 scenes, but those 1 or 2 scenes were very noticeable. But I’m getting sidetracked.
At that point, I got REALLY upset. I had been having some issues at continually being relegated to a carry group in Aion because I had messed up healing one day when I was sick, and this encoding error really made me feel completely worthless. He was right, that was an error beyond comprehension, and I had essentially “been told” about encoding by somebody who doesn’t know anything about encoding.
I pretty much stopped doing anything for like a month or so, and was talking about ending fansubbing permanently privately with people. I had planned to pick up a few random series in February to buff up my completed projects list so that I could finish with Tsukimonogatari which would have been project #100 for myself in Coalgirls.
With that, I started watching Aikatsu in BD form to just keep for myself. And that’s when the idea changed. Instead of disbanding, I would only do Aikatsu until the end of time. I’d finish up my remaining projects (Wixoss and Twintails), and then focus solely on the new episodes of Aikatsu that came out. It was a simple fun show that I’d never have to deal with drama and microscoping in.
So I went through and fixed up my Twintails and released a batch of 01-06. Then Xythar was spamming on 4chan and blogging about a typeset that I thought was a P typesetting preference instead of an actual BD change due to the nature of a few other movements. This was what changed my mind about fansubbing. I realized that it wasn’t a fundamental flaw with me encoding. It was a mistake I had made, and Xythar was just microscoping. If it was just a critical flaw with me encoding in general, it’d have been met with silence, but instead since Xythar had found a typeset on screen for 0.5 seconds he didn’t like, it was obviously just him trying to get downloads.
That is why in April I thanked him for giving me motivation back to fansub.
But at the same time, this was when I decided to return to the trolling roots of Coalgirls. I began to formulate a plan. I found a show Commie I believe decidingly liked (Ange), and decided to bastardize their subs so that they were exactly how Commie would not like them. I’d do a BD and their subs would have honorifics, they’d have Romaji, they’d have FLAC audio, they’d have no trolling, and they’d be on a Coalgirls release. I believed that they would be hurt by it because people usually take pride in their subs, and seeing them bastardized would be a big negative. I was even planning to do a flashy karaoke until my own laziness kicked in during the k-timing phase. I had heard of Commie doing its own BD, so I decided to release it by disc to get it out faster than they could so they could use their troll red mark on it.
Admittingly, it was a success. Show wasn’t as bad as I thought, and it got them a bit pissed off (though they’ll say they’re just laughing, it’s easy to read people’s true emotions). But unfortunately, I trolled the wrong person. I wanted to troll herkz/Xythar, and instead I trolled a guy skiddiks who really just sticks to his own things and isn’t that bad of a guy.
So, is it hypocritical? A bit. It wasn’t to steal downloads as much as it was to defile Commie’s subs. But it honestly would have never happened if Xythar focused purely on putting out a solid release of Twintails instead of trying to find stuff to bash mine.
But no, I assure you, people will always attack me. That’s the nature of the fansubbing beast. I mean hell, people even pick on Doremi for their Precure subs and they don’t really strike back at all. The “picking on” comes from really just one source – the desire for more downloads.
So you’re looking for your lost lover in Xythar in herkz?
Maybe you should just quit subbing, since it seems your only motivation throughout the years has been hatred.
tl;dr fansubbing = srsbsns
(I can’t believe I read all that lifeblogging)
reading that cost me a couple minutes of my life that i’ll never get back
holy tl;dr indeed.
So to sum it up Kristen, your only reason for subbing is trying to offend people who don’t care about you, sounds solid. It’s no wonder you haven’t really improved after all these years.
With time comes experience if you devote yourself to something, but just doing something out of spite doesn’t improve you at all.
And people insult Doremi because well pretty sure in most cases they’ve had it coming (and might have even instigated it on a blog or somewhere).
“From that point (September 2009) to pretty recently (November 2014), all shows were like that. I found a show, liked it, and did it.”
Did you conveniently miss the part where I said for 5 years time I did shows because I liked them?
As for the rest of your comment, a lot of it is simple hate speech. Compare the banded mess that is White Album 1 to my White Album 2. Compare my Madoka movie 3 which required heavy anti-aliasing and see how much details it lost, and then compare it to Ange that preserved the details. Compare my subtitle shifting on Maria Holic to my shifting on Monogatari season 2.
Those who mention things like “You haven’t improved at all!” are simply trying to hurt a person deep inside instead of actually trying to state anything. Which is kind of surprising coming from you, because I’ve always respected your encodes after you learned what IVTC is.
Speaking of which, it did take like 5 encoders to teach you the difference between IVTC and deinterlacing over a course of like 3 days. Are you really one to talk about resisting improvements?
at least he improved after 3 days.
meanwhile, you’re still bad after 5 years: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=108150 (btw, that comparison was posted on /a/ days before Xythar tweeted about it)
1. That screenshot was a result of a typo when encoding. It has nothing to do with my encoding ability. Same as you can make a silly mistake in subtraction, but it says nothing about your math ability.
2. That screenshot was corrected in the February 01-06 batch. Unlike Xythar who lets his trash encode stand (check up in this very thread about it), I’m not above admitting and fixing my errors.
3. Yes, it was posted on /a/ by Xythar. Then he tweeted about it.
you’ve lost yourself in delusions completely.
i suggest stopping fansubbing and visiting the nearest psychiatric hospital. make sure to stay there for at least 5 to 10 years
It’s not really a delusion if it’s true though. Not that there’s evidence one way or another.
So says anon.
Have you considered changing names?
I fail to understand why you continue to fight this “battle” against people who are supposedly all just out to get you.
Yes, I’m sure he would go to the trouble of shitposting on /a/ just so he could pretend he wasn’t the first one. After all, he’s such a coward! Now, where is my tinfoil hat…
Are you seriously trying to argue that fansubbers are pure angel-samas? Man, I wish there were people like you around when I was doing fansub shit. One can never have too many groupies.
QQwerty, I have. And I actually have done some things anonymously and those things have been actually praised instead of bashed.
But as I learned with Coalgirls, people like to sleuth around to try to find who is a mysterious person who appears. So even if I did it, somebody would eventually connect the dots and link whoever I monicker to be to me.
Perish the thought, Dark_Sage! Xythar isn’t petty at all, is he Sagey, right? Right?
Well, I did say haven’t really, not haven’t ever. Ok let me put it this way then, your technical skills have improved but your attitude is still really bad. The world isn’t against you and never was. People have wanted to help you out over the years, but your attitude towards criticism is extremely negative, and this makes things hard.
RE: IVTC, well thing is I knew what ivtc was in the first place, but I got caught out trying to cheat, and made a silly assumption that actually enabling inverse telecine in the nvidia control panel applied to dgdecodenv too, which it does not, it only applies to purevideo playback content. Anyway I learnt my lesson from this and at the same time put time into improving my knowledge of video content, etc which I’m glad I did. It was a worthwhile experience, and I learned YATTA in the process, which has been of great benefit over the years. So I am thankful for fucking up, it made me a better man (I think?). I’m not a great encoder by any means, but I hope I’m somewhat competent.
Nobody outside of my groups has wanted to help me. Ever. If they did they would have contacted me directly, but they instead post to message boards and blogs and twitter to make fun of me. There are never specifics either as to how I can improve, it’s just “lolkristen”, commonly accompanied with some homophobia and hate speech.
Hell, even the guy who taught me encoding (Xarda I think his name was) didn’t want to help me. He wanted to troll me, so he taught me to encode by telling me to use a msharpen.deen.awarpsharp.undot filter chain in all cases.
Those darn trolling encoders, bringing up people like Bakaproxy and Saevel on nothing but troll tips and tricks.
You either have a short memory, Kristen, or you’re intentionally lying to garner more sympathy. Back when Chihiro was the butt of *every* joke, you had plenty of people coming to you to offer their help and advice (I was one of them, so I know what I’m talking about – I was even close to offering to edit a show for you in an attempt to help you get out of the trolling cycle), so don’t try to rewrite history. Yes, there was plenty of trolling – welcome to fansubbing – but you also had plenty of experienced subbers willing to offer you advice and help out. The problem is you’ve always been more interested in the drama than you have in the subbing side of things, and when your priorities are that skewed, you tend to invite a lot of the drama onto yourself.
I’m talking about encoding help though, not the editing and QC offers we got that first year. Granted, I was helped out 3 times – twice by Fluff to tell me that I was a moron for using the awarpsharp chain, and a second time by Fluff to tell me I was a moron for encoding without B-frames. Though he probably saw it more like he was just insulting me than actually helping me.
And then the last time I was helped was by an encoder who I was friendly with, but whose name I forget, but he was the encoder for AonE who taught me about dotcrawl and derainbowing with my BS-i Yozakura Quartet encode so I could improve when K-On came around.
These three events were all taken at face value and were promptly fixed, contrary to _ar’s claim that I am completely resistant to improvements. Since that point (about February 2009), I cannot recall a single time anyone has ever offered me help or advice in encoding. Just hatred, homophobia, and bashing.
So yeah, you are partially right and I am partially wrong in what I said. But if you take out the first year, I am completely right.
Thing is, you can either look at criticism as a bad thing or a good thing. Personally I try to see it as a good thing, because even if it hurts your feelings typically there’s something you can learn from it (even if it’s that people are idiots!). But you learn to pick out the useful parts from the whole.
Most people don’t know an area of expertise, but they do know enough to catch something you might miss. This can come across really bad but hey, as a person who knows that area you should be able to pick out the useful information from the noise. Sometimes you won’t and then you can always ask someone for help.
I’ve never claimed you are completely resistant to change, even you’ve said yourself just earlier that you managed to improve on your work. But really you just gotta change your attitude towards stuff. In life a lot of time people won’t give you a direct hand unless you specifically ask them for it, and there’s a good reason for this, it saves people time that would otherwise be wasted on people who just don’t give a fuck.
Also people don’t learn if you tell them exactly how to do something all the time. You’ve been to university, you should be familiar with this. I know I would have been happy to help you out, but you gotta take the first step. “I think I’m doing something wrong here, but I’m not sure what, what might be a better way to go about it?”, rather than “You’re all mean and want to slander me, YOU ALL HATE ME!!!”.
Falsedawn is right in people have tried to help you, but a lot of the time you reject the help, perhaps indirectly.
__ar, but that’s exactly what I have done.
Here’s a simple example. In the Madoka movie 3, I used maa() on the entire encode to nuke the anti-aliasing. In doing so, it completely wrecked the details. In the bakabt threads posted on it, I got bashed pretty hard for it, though I had never heard of anything like that before.
Yeah, I complained and defended my work, as is expected of anybody who is proud of something they did. But I started looking into other options.
The next show I used anti-aliasing on was Nisekoi. In here, I still used maa, but used scene filtering to put it only on scenes where it was needed (such as the title from hell, as well as any scene that involve characters talking from a mid-range distance). Nobody complained really about my Nisekoi encode (though cold_hell made a negative comment about it that showed he hadn’t even seen it), but I still wasn’t happy with it.
So in Cross Ange, where nearly the entire thing had aliasing, I did research into better filters and found maa2. Read into it and played around with it, as the default setting still killed details and found that maa2(mask=-15) worked as I wanted to. Also discovered a cool threshold mask option to make sure that it was only selecting the areas I wanted with green lines.
Does it work optimally? No, not really. But it’s much better than before.
You can also look at other adjustments I’ve made through time. Like, I used to encode everything with crf 16. But it still would come out blocky and with detail loss from bitrate starvation. So I investigated your Nisemonogatari release and realized that I needed a higher crf on 720p to get what I wanted, as well as needing to make some adjustment to aq-strength. This led me to research into exactly what aq-strength does, and understanding exactly why a higher strength leads to higher filesizes but less starvation.
This is how I’ve always learned encoding. Make mistakes, look at others’ works, and read what they say. In the past I used to ask for help a lot in #darkhold, but I almost always got laughed out of it because of how amateurish my questions were.
Though your thing about college isn’t always true for everyone. In college, I would commonly get very lost in my abstract algebra course. I’d get something like (1 2 3)(1 3 2) = ? and need to solve it. So I commonly would hang out at #math on freenode to try and get help.
Some people would try to help me by saying “Well, this is a mapping, so how do you combine two mappings?” I didn’t understand how to do it at all, so this didn’t help.
And then some people would say “Well, you see the first has the 1 map to 2, and the second has the 2 map back to 1, so you do that for every number”. And with that I got as a result, (1 3 2)(1 2 3) = (1), aka every number maps back to itself, the identity.
The first way, trying to get me to realize it on my own, didn’t work. But trust me, with the second one, I was able to do every multiple mapping problem that came up after.
It’s something I’ve learned in tutoring math for the past 4 years. Some people learn from theory, some from examples. You can’t expect everyone to learn the way, or you’ll be a bad tutor.
Well as an example, here’s how I handled Madoka 3.
It’s relatively straight forward and just uses nnedi3 to do 2 horizontal and vertical passes of aa, edge-masked, then post-sharpens the edges based on the source clip with lsfmod.
I guess the key is to knowing how scripts and filters work, and why you are using them. MAA is fine typically, MAA2 is just faster since it uses tp7’s sangnom2, which is multi-threaded. The trick to using MAA is the supersampling factor, which is how much you resize the clip first before applying sangnom. High the SS factor the weaker the anti-aliasing effect but the more detail will be saved, add this along with some edgemasking and it’s reasonably easy going on details, then just post-sharpen it against the pre-aa’d clip to restore some of the lost details without restoring the aliasing.
What exactly is that mt_edge? It says something like 3×3 kernel but I have no idea what that means.
edge mask and settings for finding edges. The idea of mt merge is to use only some parts of filtered clip in this case the edges and leave the other parts untouched.
everything is written if you open avisynth wiki…
As for nisekoi – for example op1 ~30sec poke me in irc if you really want screenshots. As I said I didn’t applied strong AA either, so I can’t blame you (Juular fixed it for example), but the point was that none of the BD releases is perfect and the TV ver isn’t far behind the BD in terms of quality where the removed backgrounds destroyed the BDs.
3×3 kernel just means it operates on blocks of 3×3 pixels. mt_edge is used for edge detection, and the kernels are just weighted towards detecting edges. A mask is either a binary or a greyscale mask, (being 2 or 256 colours), which represent a degree of on or off.
mt_merge takes 2 clips and uses the mask to determine how much of clip2 is applied to clip1, and which planes to apply it to.
A quick google gives me this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28image_processing%29
Which basically explains the idea behind kernels, you don’t need to be that well acquainted, but having a decent understanding how masktools works is quite useful when it comes to filtering, the other is kassandros removegrain tools which kinda complement masktools for preparing masks.
Best thing to do is read manuals and look at how scripts do stuff to learn, imho.
Ah yeah, cold_hell, that’s actually a prime example of improvements over time. At the time I decided not to aa that scene because it had a lot of details in the road’s edges I didn’t want to destroy, since my options then were nuke with maa or leave. AKA, it was sort of a manual threshhold of nuking. Now that I’ve learned a bit about using threshholds in aa, this type of scene would have gotten an aa to fix the sign and leave the road alone.
_ar, thanks, starting to get it.
See, Kristen? When you stop attacking and defending for a minute, you find that all fansubbers aren’t that different at all. I’m hopeless at the technological side of fansubbing (and computing full stop, to be fair) so I always rely on others on IRC to give me a helping hand when I get stuck on things. You’ve just got to know where to look and give back when the time comes (I get plenty of people coming to me for advice on single lines, for instance).
FalseDawn, it may just be my paranoia and delusions acting up again, but I cannot trust that this was a result of asking for help and not a result of him acting as he was to try and make his point true.
But, I’m not going to let paranoia and delusions stop me. I’ll ask for help in the future and see if this continues to hold true. Maybe with some luck, I can improve and learn a thing or two.
I can explain the Doremi hate a little. I jointed with them many moons ago and got a peek at their operation, and their mindset is different to a lot of fansubbers in that they prioritise just getting subs out for series, sometimes to the detriment of accuracy. I’m not sure how much they’ve changed over the years, but their two main guys couldn’t see the value of fine-timing to reduce scene bleeds or even making typesetting looks nice. To them, that’s all extraneous to getting subs out for series that don’t necessarily have them already.
Obviously, this flies in the face of what is regarded as a good fansub for most fansubbers, so scorn gets poured down on them because of that. I suppose you could say it’s just about different values but yeah, I can see why a lot of people are turned off from them.
Yes, the Doremi subs in general are lower quality. Like only a season into Go Princess Precure we have “Do horses still exist?” and “Why are you Romeo?”
However, these types of errors existed in all their previous releases and were usually ignored or not brought up. Only here and Dokidoki did they ever get brought up.
Why? Commie. Those are the two series Commie subbed. And to put themselves in a better light, they cast Doremi in a darker shadow.
Which is what I was trying to say up there. That no matter what I do, be it keep to my own business and sub shows I enjoy, or be loud and obnoxious on forums and troll, nothing will change. My subs and encodes will always be dissected, especially when it involves a show Commie works on (which nowadays is close to all of them, seeing how they pretty much have turned the fansubbing garden into a factory).
Which is why QQwerty’s song of “Have you considered simply not paying attention to other groups and focusing purely on putting out solid releases? I assure you people will stop all picking on you then.” is wrong.
Actually people have always called Doremi shit. I remember once some of their people had a panel at some random con and everyone just shit on them.
Gotta agree with Govna here. Back when I was jointing with them (a long time ago), there was plenty of backlash against them. I think you’re a bit narrow-sighted when it comes to Commie, Kristen, and don’t seem to realise that these kinds of comments are endemic of fansubbing on the whole and not just the work of a handful of people in a handful of groups.
Do a good job, and there will be nothing for them to nitpick. And if they do, people will quickly pick up on their bullshit, given they’re making fun of something done well.
I mean, maybe (and it’s a big maybe) herkz, Xythar and their friends really do hate you and really will find every last insignificant thing to make fun of. But most fansubbers, and as far as I can see, virtually everyone here, isn’t like that at all.
QQwerty, I believe my Tsukimonogatari was quite well done for what was available. I know there are probably some translation inaccuracies in it seeing how it had to use Daisuki subs as a base and we don’t have a TLC to go over it. However, the subs were readable and understandable, and free of errors, the typesetting was amazing, and it was generally a really good product.
But within hours of the torrent turning over, we get https://twitter.com/herkz2/status/580854559326625792 . If you’re talking about a nitpick, this is probably the nitpickiest of the nitpicks there is.
Yet people support him instead of calling him out on his BS. Because that’s what fansubbing is. It’s about finding anything you can nitpick and blow it out of proportion to make yourselves look better and swing download counts.
It’s backwards (intentionally? The machine itself doesn’t look backwards but I haven’t watched the show) and ‘medals’ doesn’t make any sense in context, Kristen. That’s not really a nitpick, it is a blatant tl/editing error. You value D_S’s opinions and he’d rip you a new one for that too.
I can understand your desire to defend your own work, Kristen – we all do that at one time or another – but sometimes you have to know when to just hold your hands up and go “we made a mistake”. It happens, we’re all human and all have our blindspots. Playing it off as a nitpick does you no favours whatsoever. And I don’t see eye-to-eye with herkz so I’m not saying this through any kind of favouritism. Just imparting some fansubbing wisdom for any who might find it useful.
Yes, it is intentionally backwards as the kanji is written in reverse order. siht ekiL. The medals, yes, D_S would complain about it, but that doesn’t make it not a nitpick. Nitpicks are things that bear no meaning to the overall enjoyment of the series, and outside of herkz who was trying to find something wrong, nobody has ever brought it up.
Japanese is written right-to-left throughout Monogatari because it’s mimicking oldfaggy Japanese text; it’s not backwards just for the sake of being backwards. (Alternatively, it could also be considered as top-to-bottom right-to-left, but with single-character columns.) See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_and_vertical_writing_in_East_Asian_scripts
Rendering the English typesetting in reverse order is missing the point entirely, because English text has never predominantly been rendered backwards. You’re not mimicking old English by spelling everything backwards; all you’re doing is making it unreadable.
So what I got from this is that Coalgirls is largely about pissing people off?
I’d like to ask about the Star Driver BDs. Personally I really liked the show and was excited for the BDs. I even offered to help gg with QC/editing for the BD batches but whoever started on that made a real mess of things and I got busy so it didn’t happen.
So of course I was excited to see that Coalgirls was doing a BD batch with edited gg subs. Awesome! Then I realized that it was extremely poorly done. You basically took the gg scripts, reversed the name orders and awkwardly re-added honorifics, changed a couple lines you deemed too trollsy/memetastic (often for the worse), and fixed basically none of the mistranslations/misinterpretations/badly worded lines. That sure was a let-down.
So my question is this. Was that a legitimate effort, or was that another ~drama~-fueled attempt to piss people off? Because if the latter, it was at the expense of the fanbase. I have the official BDs with English subtitles now but they’re weeb as shit and borderline unwatchable. (If you recall from their Hulu stream of ep1, they left an entire sentence in untranslated Japanese. This was not fixed for the BD.) But at least the translations are accurate, when they bother to translate.
I can explain more later (on vacation until later tonight), but no. Star Driver originally was picked up because I wanted to do a Sunday night TBS show, and continued because zaockle wanted desperately to do it. If you have problems with the editing, you can talk to him.
OK, full reply. Very few shows I did at CGi were for the purpose of pissing off another group. Every show except the ones listed below were either because they were a show I wanted to see, or we a sequel/prequel to another show I did.
Twintails – Genderbending
Bakemonogatari – I liked the ED
Evangelion 2.22 – Wanted to get a comparison of video to Thora
F/SN UBW Movie – UTW didn’t release with FLAC audio
Hidan no Aria – Show sucked bad and I didn’t want to put in the effort to do a BD unless I got to put on the CGi tag
HSoD – Didn’t want the only version out to be gg’s
Inari – Needed a project to do while bored last summer that I could complete in a week
Kampfer – Genderbending
Kiss x Sis – Apology to my fans for cancelling so many ecchi shows
Macross F – Opportunity to play with my favorite aspect of fansubbing, karaoke
Madoka – To promote Chihiro as the best subs (even though I understand now they weren’t)
Gundam Unicorn – Was drunk
Nichijou – Wanted to be compared to Underwater
Spicy Wolf – To troll fans of the series by insulting Horo.
SYD – While it was originally a show I did because I wanted to see it, people’s complaints about me using the censored track drove me nuts, so it was later to make them download oversized files for a couple of beeps.
Star Driver – Nostalgia over the old Geass rush days, and wanted to do a TBS Sunday morning show similar to it.
Haruhi (Original TV S2) – Trolling CoalGuys
Tayutama – Practicing BDs for K-On! with Chihiro
Toradora (Original TV) – Trolling CoalGuys
White Album – Practicing BDs for K-On! with Chihiro
White Album 2 – Reintroducing myself to the fun of no-stress BD encoding
Cross Ange – Trolling herkz
That said, no matter what the reason, I always put in the best effort I can into whatever I put out. Nothing is ever compromised just because it’s not a show I’m doing for the love of it.
>Commie picking up the Nisekoi BDs just when I was about done with my final batch
Skidders planned to release the BDs even before your volume 01 as far as I remember.
>who I had never even heard of before.
kristen + not knowing something…
Ok, I’ll pretend that it is actually possible and you aren’t trolling. What is wrong with people working on the BDs of their TVver. released shows? Weren’t you the one who always blamed them that they don’t care enough for the shows to do the BDs afterwards?
Yup. Pretty sure I remember talking to the show’s tser (hdr) before the bds were out and asked him if he was gonna do them and he said yes.
EDIT: Pretty sure he even liked the show/series too since I’d talk to him in PM and he’d give me reaction images of panels from the manga haha
I’ve seen people use reaction images and not even know what show the image is from.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people doing BDs of shows they worked on with TV, just like there is nothing wrong with people doing season 2’s of shows they did season 1 on. However, the timing of the release is extremely suspicious, especially seeing how volume 2 was only released after I said it’d never get released until triggered.
Can I have some tin foil hat?
who the fuck is herkz?!!
One of Commie’s typesetters.
*One of the best fansubbers. ;_;
The best fakesubber in the business. Runs a script to remove honorifics from CR scripts and considers that editing. Can’t style for shit. Knows how to typeset well but never bothers to do so. Really vocal about not giving a shit. D_S’s tsundere lover if Xythar ever disappears.
Btw, Kristen, just browsed through Xythar’s twitter and yeah, he does seem obsessed with this site. You’d think he’d just post here instead of screencapping everything.
Yeah. His twitter actually is pretty entertaining. I’ve always loved a good tsundere.
From what I know Xythar was banned here but somehow D_S lifted it. Not so sure if he knew anything about that.
He definitely knows, he just considers Crymore and D_S to be beneath him.
If that were really the case, he would stop giving me hits and attention. Like… it’s really not that hard to change your homepage to Google instead of Crymore.
If he considered D_S and crymore to be beneath him, he wouldn’t care about the opinions posted here. But trust me, if D_S made a review bashing Vivid for something, you’ll hear him whining.
Usually when you consider something beneath you, you don’t go screencapping 4 of the comments since the 2nd of June to broadcast to your Twitter audience. Just saying.
Well, I wouldn’t be a good friend if I didn’t offer him solid content for his followers (who are now, by extension, my readers). I’ll throw in a little something special for him in the next review. ^_^
The timing of that comment though.
Also what I believed. Though, I doubt he will ever comment here again since IIRC he himself insisted and dared D_S to ban him for doing something. You know, pride and ego.
Yep. He ridicules posts on here, and indeed anything else that leaves a bad taste in his mouth, in the safety of circlejerks him and his buddies can control out of sheer cowardice. A cursory glance at his Twitter paints a sad picture indeed: a thirty-something, hysterical, neckbearded sycophant with a fragile ego steeped in pseudo-intellectualism.
Apparently he liked your comment.
Hahahaha, he actually made that his Twitter background! Well, it certainly forewarns any hapless souls who stumble onto his Twitter. Not that anyone couldn’t have drawn the same conclusion, though.
I took a look, and…
Xythar, what are you doing mate?
I’d expect more mature behaviour from a fifteen-year-old.
Mature behaviour from a fansubber? What were you thinking?
What are your thoughts on doki subs not putting their releases on nyaa?
What a crime.
Doki was banned from Nyaa because they kept breaking their rules. It’s not some moral stand against Nyaa or anything.
Because one individual who hasn’t been associated with doki in ages kept breaking nyaa’s rules, but yes, that is why Doki isn’t on nyaa.
how did you get into anime? :3
Xythar’s fans. Fucking lol.
Yeah, a number of things will trip WordPress’s anti-spam system. Approval of pending/spam-flagged comments has to be done manually, and I’m not available 24/7. I am a true monster.
(Had to rescue this comment and a few others from the spam filter… because I actually go through that thing manually when I have the chance.)
LOL Commie are being rebellious and they won’t release oregairu “on time”.
It does not bother me too much, since their subs suck ass, but I wanted to know your thoughts.
herkz @herkz2 1h1 hour ago
man, people are so mad they aren’t getting their anime subtitles on “schedule.” it’s amazing.
herkz @herkz2 56m56 minutes ago
After further observations of reactions, I think we should actually delay it every week just to make them mad.
herkz @herkz2 52m52 minutes ago
@Tinky_III they have no idea how to react when they have no other options. it’s truly special.
I mean, isn’t this hilarious or what?
They have nothing to gain by that, so they won’t. Remember, the only thing these guys have to live for is downloads.
uh oregairu isn’t being released on time because tl lost power
also, despite your refusal to accept it, people sub for reasons other than downloads
they really don’t give a shit, and don’t appreciate being told to kill themselves because they’re delayed by circumstances out of their control
Well, you haven’t killed yourself yet, so I don’t see what the harm is. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
pls i’m not a commie dev
not like i have any control
people sub for reasons other than downloads
I think he’s trying to say he expects to get laid for subbing. Is that it, Coffee? Cuz, uh… good luck.
I’ve heard rumors that you become a wizard if you fansub.
It’s true, can confirm.
nah, we got into this on the fansubbing is ded page and thus i don’t really feel like rehashing it so i’ll just quote what i said last time and let this be
If you want further elaboration, read this comment chain:
and this reply:
Downloads matter, of course. Just like visitors count for D_S, or he wouldn’t write articles for phantom readers.
FFVII Remake is going to suck, but I have made peace with it. ;_;
Please don’t suck. :(
I guess it’s nearly impossible to make a FF7 remake with nextgen-graphics and the same style as the original. The chibi-style made the game this charming and humorous. I buy it anyway.
Well, I would love to see FFVIII remake.
If it doesn’t get a pc version, I’ll only see it on YouTube.
What do you mean?
that I don’t have a console and can only watch the gameplays. ;_;
there’s nothing suspicious about funimation’s subtitles
http://imgur.com/n5DMJC4 – FFS
Looks like they’re consistent when it comes to quality.
Can I join
Those giftia are definitely nearing the end of their lifespan.
funi’s seraph and toei’s world trigger are the worst subs of the season, for sure
Ur all stoopid
Summer 2015 preview soon?
It’s still cold, relax.
I’m here now, and I sure am hot.
summer 2015 god tier taste expo when?
in 1 valve year
I’ve stumbled away from the bottle long enough to commit myself to the worst marathon of the ever tonight. I’m gonna try to finish as much of this current season off as I can before I spend my weekend on previews.
God… this is going to be brutal. I am really behind on the shows.
Why would you do that to yourself?
I’m so close though.
Owari, Mikagura, Punch Line, Pleiades: complete.
Shokugeki, Arslan, Rinne: halfway done (so complete for this season’s intent).
Then between DanMachi, Hibike, Yahari, Kekkai, Triage, and Yamada I only have 17 episodes left.
watcha_watching return when
What, you guys actually liked that shit?
Man, I don’t know if this is the season I wanna bring it back, considering everything looks so drearily awful.
It’s good to have a taste reference.
Don’t you know? Enthusiasts love criticizing other peoples’ tastes more than a narcissist loves a mirror cabinet.
Holy shit Funimation are gonna simulcast 19 shows this season.
RIP SUMMER 2015 ANIME.
sauce or no taste
not that bad though, -6 shows that they are already simulcasting from previous seasons
so 13 shows which are gonna be raped by funimation
Not to worry! Fansubbing will save us!
Yep, like how Commie did to the OP of their Yahari finale episode. 8man best guy.
>spoiler: there is no “liberal scale” your translation is either wrong or it isn’t
Friendly reminder that this is the retard who tirelessly defended Commie’s Twintails release, saying lines like “… worse than Hitler” and that the character who spoke like a nigger was an accurate translation.
Friendly reminder that he claimed it was just a more liberal translation.
Friendly reminder that he should neck himself.
Xythar really needs to learn the difference between translation and every other aspect of subbing. I am simply waiting for the day that he criticizes an encode and calls the encode a bad translation.
Not only that, but he really needs to learn some actual Japanese before he starts talking about TL issues, because the line he had an issue with was actually the correct translation.
I wonder how many people it’ll take to tell him that he’s wrong for him to listen.
Maybe he should consider getting off twitter. It’s almost as if it’s become a defense mechanism against anything he doesn’t like, no matter how many times and how many people tell him that he’s wrong.
The ironyyyy. the ironyyy
That’s a shockingly bone-headed comment from Xythar. I know he always defends Commie no matter what the issue is, but I figured he was just faithfully doing his duty like a defence lawyer or bodyguard with a dodgy client. Now I find myself thinking he genuinely believed all that nonsense and it wasn’t just hollow shilling.
Interesting. Crymore readers hate Xythar but love reading his Twitter posts, apparently.
The population of Crymore readers also includes Xythar, so…
Personally, I enjoy his twitter. I laugh every time I see him waving a gay pride flag or supporting transexual society after the stuff he said to me specifically relating to my transexual nature. It’s funny how he’ll say something and then when it comes to someone he dislikes, he’ll use it like a plague.
>implying its not hilarious reading his retarded as fuck tweets
Shit, duplex, get with the program.
I think you missed my incredibly subtle dig at Crymore readers who whine like babies when Xythar does the same thing the other way around.
PSA: A bunch of shitty anime games are on sale in a bundle for $2 (steam codes included). https://www.indiegala.com/monday
Higurashi Episode 01
Go Go Nippon
Seems like a decent deal, and I’ll probably grab a few just to have codes to give out.
(Speaking of, I do have an extra copy of Nippon and eden* if anyone wants ’em.)
I’ll gladly take an Eden code, D_S.
I’m going to assume that’s not your real email, so hit mine up.
darksagerk at gmail.com