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263 Comments

Dark_Sage says:

To an S-tier 2016.

flipr says:

D_S what have you done to me? I can’t get that senpai song out of my head now.

Gary says:

So many shitty Hulu simulcasts this season…

Kamica says:

The worst part is the yellow subs.

Caiso says:

Just downloaded Grimgar. The video source are all this bad?

Dark_Sage says:

Dagashi TL Party will be up this weekend — this is a post I’m really excited to make.

The only question is *when*, since I’m heading out with my buddies in a few hours to drink and make kids cry all night. We’ll see.

Solaristics says:

Baumkuchen says:

Commie >>> konosweets > FUNi > Mori > Doki-Chihiro >>> ADZ

Welp says:

Good random guessing.

Kristen says:

Sagey, if I leave no tip at a restaurant because the waitress didn’t acknowledge I existed for 10 minutes, and when she did she just threw menus at me without even greeting me, am I a bad person? :o

Dark_Sage says:

I take it you’re asking cuz I eat out for every other meal and not just cuz I’m perfect at life.

So… No, you’re fine. Tips are tied to service, and if you’ve been treated exceptionally poorly, leaving no tip is the correct decision.

Kajitani-Eizan says:

Yes, you’re a bad person! The correct procedure here is to tip between 1 and 20 cents. This makes it clear that you didn’t just forget to tip or come from a culture where tipping is not the norm.

Hope this helps!

Dark_Sage says:

On second thought, I change my answer to this.

Sheep says:

Is that Jo2uke in the banner

Dark_Sage says:

Yes.
Who, though?

Sheep says:

Part 8 Protag of JJBA, the one with 4 testicles

http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Josuke_Higashikata_(JoJolion)

anonymlol says:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/158888
>Over filtered shit in this day and age.
>Must be Chihiro.
>Profit.

lotusgg says:

Oh, that was my fault. Somehow, I managed to glitch my script and some things went out of order. A v2 has been issued as soon as it was reported. Didn’t see it before because previews were not showing it.

Anonymous says:

You mean v2 was issued as soon as you realize you couldn’t get away with doing such a shitty job, right?

lotusgg says:

Obviously.

Anonymous says:

You say that jokingly but with your track record is hard to believe it’s not true

lotusgg says:

what record, of a rookie making mistakes? I’m no expert… yet. I’m learning with my faults. I can’t help but fix my things and being sorry for the inconvenience.

Gary Yary says:

>brazilian encoding
>2016
>still shit

Anonymous says:

Should never trust a Brazilian with a man’s job.

lotusgg says:

This is what it was supposed to be http://i.imgur.com/O7tEh2L.png

Gary Yary says:

Are you going to review Boku Dake ga Inai Machi (HS, Commie, GJM)?

Dark_Sage says:

It’s in scope, but I hate the show, so…

Dark_Sage says:

Vancouver time \o/

Will be with boomer and puddi, so if y’all got any good 3-person positions to suggest, I’m all ears.

Solaristics says:

Yo, get on IRC for a sec.

Gary Yary says:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/159985

Release after 3 weeks with shit video.
Must be FFF.

lotusgg says:

it`s just cr lol

Anonymous says:

And the 2015 Laziest Fansub Group Award goes to FFF. Again. That’s 5 consecutive wins against some heavy competition but somehow they still made it.
By the looks of it FFF already have their eye on the 2016 award.

flipr says:

D_S, you should start rating cities that you go to. I finally made a trip to Minneapolis, and I’d give it an 8/10. Would firemen struggle to put out a car fire again.

Dark_Sage says:

>goes to Minneapolis
>doesn’t visit D_S

;_;

flipr says:

…didn’t you just post about being in Canadia?

Dark_Sage says:

Oh, you went this weekend? All right, I’ll forgive ya. This time.

Ratings:

9/10
New York City
Vancouver

8/10
Chicago
Seattle
Denver
Charlotte

7/10
Dallas
Minneapolis
San Diego

6/10 & Below
Ask me when I’m sober

Charlotte says:

Is it CRYmore or is it cryMORE. This is a very important question

just passing by says:

cry FOR more! lol

lotusgg says:

it’s CryMore.

just passing by says:

you ruined the meme…

Anti-meme Cop (totally not LotusGG) says:

my job is done here

Welp says:

CryMeme.

Anon says:

So, aniblog tourney results when?

Still eagerly anticipating the results.

yukon says:

Hey D_S, what is this senketsusubs drama? Do you know anthing?

https://senketsusubs.wordpress.com/

Dark_Sage says:

Looks like they got hacked?

anon says:

Skiddiks reported SenketsuSubs’s twitter to @removepiracy, which got them both suspended. Senketsu went crazy, deleted her twitter and original website, and started reporting fansubbers’ twitters left and right as @LadyMatoiRyuko.

anon says:

This is only what I’ve heard, but apparently skiddiks reported Senketsu’s twitter account to an anti-piracy service and got it hit with a bunch of DMCA notices, and Senketsu’s legitimately melting down over it and trying to torpedo every fansubber by mentioning them to the same anti-piracy service thing. At some point, the twitter accounts of herkz and skiddiks were suspended for the same thing (presumably as a result of Senketsu’s reporting? I don’t know). Senketsu deleted all his torrents and is quitting subbing and even logged into his account on Chihiro’s site and posted a similar “fuck you” message on their blog that has since been deleted

Apparently this is all likely unrelated to Nyaa being down

What the fuck am I doing with my life

Solaristics says:

Top kek

Patient0 says:

Fucking D_S,
I heard Nyaa (and hence Commie and Co) and Doki and DDY and GJM and almost everyone that isn’t FFF are getting their sites ddosed and twitter accounts suspended. Even the kings of circlejerking, xythar and herkz, lost their twitter account (herkz probably for being under 13 more than for having anime related material).
So I come here looking for some news on the topic, and you’ve written fuck-all about the great fansubmageddon’16.
Get your thumb out of your ass and your finger on the pulse and write a news article about how fansubs are dying. Is this not the moment you’ve been waiting for?

Hairy says:

Xythar hasn’t lost his account. He’s hidden his tweets.

Dark_Sage says:

Honestly, the moment I’m waiting for is a fansub revival. Or at least an anime one. I’ve devoted so much of my life to these scenes that watching them die off pathetically brings me no joy at all.

I will definitely get on this. I’m on good terms with LadyMatoiRyuko, so I’ll check in with her emails and get a couple sides of the story before writing anything up.

Solaristics says:

Honestly, that girl/guy sounds like a total loser. The way she/he reacts and types that I’ve seen throughout here on crymore one time and all around… Comes off as a bitch. Just my two cents though.

Patient0 says:

She comes across as crazy, yes. It might just be an act for attention, who knows.

But skiddiks did get her twitter suspended, for which herkz and fyurie and the like actively praised him for doing so.
They they have the gall to act surprised, scream unfair, and even panic-hide their twitter feeds when she starts to retaliate in the exact same manner.

It smacks of elitism and I hope she gets all their twitters. A lesson in humility will do those wankers good.

Dark_Sage says:

Cunts have the temerity to beg for followers just for redistributing the hard work of others? Maybe it’ll do ’em good to be brought back to a time when putting effort into a release had more value than whoring out for useless social media points. (Though I suppose Twitter will puss out in the end anyway.)

QQwerty says:

You honestly just described Senketsu moreso than any other fansubber.

Dark_Sage says:

I don’t see much of a difference between Senketsu Subs and other so-called fansub groups, other than the degree to which they’re each being honest about what exact value they’re providing.

Kristen says:

Commie’s members actually are sort of correct about their twitters getting taken down. Screenshots from anime and subs are not illegal as they are considered fair use. Neither is discussing fansubbing, just as a cop can’t really arrest you for discussing the best way of smoking weed. However, their discussions bashing funi subs while promoting their own could be considered promoting illegal activity in some jurisdictions.

However, Senketsu’s account linked to torrents, which is definitely considered illegal.

That said, it was definitely mean to report Senketsu’s account, but it’s not like either side is really wrong here.

LotusGG says:

In 2 days, give or take a day everything will be back to normal. One can’t keep ddosing for too long and lost twitter accounts/blogs brought down won’t kill a scene.

mii-tan says:

Nah, let them die. Fucking fags ruining everything.

Dark_Sage says:

Now that I’ve sobered up and and learned what a bad idea moonshine can be… is this even article worthy? Twitter drama? A few hours of sites being down?

Eh…

Anon says:

But think of the clicks, the anti-cartel circlejerk clicks!

Dark_Sage says:

If I cared about clicks, I would’ve ditched anime in 2013 and turned this into a vidya/lewdstuff blog.

But I actually do have an angle on this now, so… Yeah, lemme stuff some mac ‘n cheese into a pot and then I’ll get my sagey fingers working.

Kristen says:

The only thing that matters is rage. You are the sage who creates rage, after all.

Dark_Sage says:

Oh trust me, I’m pissed. Ain’t nothing like a little inspiration to get my fingers moving. Pissed at what though? Well, I guess we’ll leave that spoiler to the article.

LotusGG says:

better review more subs of perverted candy shops

Gary Yary says:

I second that.
Get your shit together, Sage fag.

Hairy says:

Try searching youtube for “Azumanga Daioh” and see what happens. Or “Azumanga” or “Daioh” or similar.

Dark_Sage says:

But… But why?

Gary Yary says:

Review of Erased fucking doko?

Dark_Sage says:

I hate that show so much it’s taken me two weeks to stagger through the first 15 minutes of episode 1.

Reviewing any subs would be… difficult.

Black Shads says:

And just when I thought mal had good taste for once

Gary Yary says:

Shit taste confirmed.

Dark_Sage says:

Got the domain back, boys! (Noko <3)

http://www.whiners.pro/

Not that I have anything to do with it other than redirect to here. Thinking I might be able to turn it into an archive of Whiners if I still have the files around here. Thoughts?

Charlotte says:

You should consider making it the new URL. Fansubbers ARE pro whiners.

Hairy says:

>Got the domain back, boys! (Noko <3)

Didn't take long. How did you manage that?

Dark_Sage says:

Noko pays attention to things and once the news hit that .pro domains were no longer restricted to professional organizations, he grabbed the domain up and sat on it till I came on IRC. Then threw it over to me for the $12 registration fee and the promise of one (1) no-eye-contact handy. Love that kid.

ZerataX says:

Mori bought subs.moe:
http://crymore.subs.moe

Dark_Sage says:

Eh, I’ll take it.

Gary Yary says:

What’s the best option for KonoSuba?

Kamil says:

Hello
Could you please do fansub review of Mahou Girls Precure? There are 3 different groups: Doremi, Imagination Station, Shimakaze. I know Doremi dropped it, but..i would still be interested to hear your opinion about all these groups :)

Kalanoch says:

There are actually FIVE groups now that have done Mahoutsukai Precure episode 1: Shimakaze, Imagination Station, Doremi, Aquariistrikes, and naisho.

Who knew it would be so popular?

Anon says:

http://puu.sh/4Oxi3.png

3 years already, never forget.

PP says:

Reminder to lube up before watching a Commie release.



wefllagn says:

what the fuck

Solaristics says:

Reviews when :^)

Dark_Sage says:

There’s a review coming tomorrow, though I can’t guarantee it’s what you’re hoping for.

Solaristics says:

RIP

Dark_Sage says:

*whenever I can finally pull myself away from Fire Emblem, that shitty fucking awful game

Anon says:

But you already covered the two shiposting shows of this season, what else is left?

Dark_Sage says:

>reviewing shows
>when there’s something so much better out there
>may skip sleeping tonight for this
>but fire emblem is a timesink in the worst way

hello says:

is glue’s durarara ketsu any good?

Dark_Sage says:

It’s either them or HorribleSubs, right? I assume if you’re willing to wait that Glue will be the release to go with, but don’t expect anything great.

Solaristics says:

Which group is that rofl

Bunny says:

It’s Hiryuu’s release. Also they’re apparently the only group subbing it according to FansubDB.

Dark_Sage says:

Yup, that seems like current-gen Hiryuu. Turns out fibi was the only worthwhile member of the group after all.

LotusGG says:

Dark_Sage, have you played Blade and Soul? You had good thoughts on the anime (which was an offense to whoever played the game), so I’d like to know what you think about the actual and original story the game ships with. Seems like NCWEST is also fixing a great amount of derp dubs and bad localizations (like changing a point of the plot on the premisse that ‘muricans dislike timetravel). Plus, you can reach Lv. 45 and get done with the story quests available in 20 hours, 15 if you’re tryharding.

Kristen says:

They changed our hours AGAIN?
Soha can shoot me anytime.
Somebody bring me my drink!
I fed the admiral’s pet yesterday. I almost became dinner myself!
Grilled Yutay sounds good. Or maybe FRIED YuWhtaaty should we have for dinner?

The game is entertaining for a matter of maybe 1-2 months as you build towards getting a geared character, and dealing with NCSoft’s annoyances like the dubbing, the failure of matching spoken text to written text, bugs, and bots. But after that point it’s just boring daily grind.

Sheep says:

You could always try getting into the PvP, shame about the PVE though

Kristen says:

PVP exists in two forms – Open World and Arena.

Open world barely exists. One faction dominates, the other hunts on obscure channels and doesn’t want to fight.

Arenas thankfully they didn’t do any BS to. It’s a simple circle, whoever kills the opponent more wins. But it’s super boring because of the massive amounts of CC in the game. If I’m a hair slower than the opponent, I am then combo’d for about 10-15 seconds losing most all of my health with nothing I can do to counter. So then it becomes a game of watching my character get beat up.

Not to mention, the game is starting to get flooded by illegals. Gold spam at times in unbearable, and about 90% of the time in the arena, you’re fighting against a bot. And then you feel bad buying a pack of soulstones off the AH since you know that money is probably going to a bot who will sell it for real life cash.

LotusGG says:

That’s why you get better reflexes, go ranked in arena, and trade soulstones and other valuable itens announcing at faction chat. Spam is easily solved with two clicks, and end game gearing is not quite boring if you do the right farm rotation and spam bloodshade 4man which is quite challenging, fun and beautiful as well as rewarding.

LotusGG says:

Yeah, they’re fixing their dubs. It’s like funi dub acting vs japanese dub acting from the story and relevant npcs from what I’m seeing with the new character I recently created.

Kamica says:

Will Spring 2016 be the first anime season in 9 months to get a complete preview written by Dark_Sage?

Dark_Sage says:

Hmm…

LotusGG says:

you got 15 days to beat a record xD

Dark_Sage says:

To be honest, I only have this weekend to get this done, because next week is Sakuracon.

It’ll be bad if I fuck this up, so I just poured myself a nice Elijah & Coke, turned on some nightcore, and opened up a new tab for Batoto. Time to justify this site’s continued existence to more than just myself~

Kamica says:

Hype levels are max.

Dark_Sage says:

And part 1’s still coming out this weekend. Won’t be sleeping before work, but eh… such is life. shikataganai.ascii

raest says:

Who cares about spring anymore Natsume got s5 in fall

Dark_Sage says:

http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Four_Done.png

Whatever, I’ll just backdate it when I get off work tonight. Time to catch my plane~

LotusGG says:

R.I.P.

Dark_Sage says:

I just finished my Boku no Hero part. Have some faith — it’s a little hard to get things done on travel days cuz I usually pass out right when I hit the hotel room, despite my best intentions.

LotusGG says:

Pls, I never lose faith. Good luck there!

LotusGG says:

Tip: use mangaupdates to find what manga->ln adaption is a spin-off/side-story to not be misled by shitty or super-improved source material again.

Anon says:

Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams.

Sage.

Dark_Sage says:

>saging in a sticky

jimmy says:

Stickying a _Sage ;)

Dark_Sage says:

So, yeah, currently Crymore is fixed in some ways and broken in others. Please bear with me here while I stumble my way through this shit, kthx. <3

Dark_Sage says:

Christ, every time I try to fix something it just makes things worse. And then I’ve lost hours of time.

Fuck it, I’m going back to writing up the preview. I’ll just avoid fixing shit until it’s too late. ~_~

yukon says:

http://imgur.com/8IekbU0
You should do manga reviews every now and then.

Dark_Sage says:

2easy

PP says:

Come quality professional subbing coming through.

The joke is that FUNi basically dropped everything so they could grab this show.

Dark_Sage says:

Sounds like a Funi thing to do.

wefllagn says:

do you love me as much as i love you

Dark_Sage says:

I’m so sorry. There’s only room for one person in my heart, and that person is me. ;_;

Kristen says:

Does… Does that mean we’re breaking up? :o

Sheep says:

Sage, you heartless monster

PP says:

These fansubbers’ attempts at trying to stay relevant are always cute.

yukon says:

So, how was the first episode of Big Order? Did you like it?

Dark_Sage says:

Yeah, haven’t quite watched it yet. Was gonna do it the other day but then Kiznaiver happened and… ugh, why the fuck does that show exist?

yukon says:

This might help you on deciding things next time.

Dark_Sage says:

H N G H
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G
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yukon says:

Come to think of it, this will be a great wallpaper on my phone screen till better breathtaking moments happen.

Sheep says:

Anyone know if Kodansha is usually decent?

rintaun says:

sup D_S

Dark_Sage says:

Trying to make sense of the drama that just came out of nowhere and uhh… I dunno, jerking it to weird anime porn. Sup on your end, man? Been a fucking while. ;_;

Sheep says:

#drama

rintaun says:

idk I still suck at the internet (evidenced by the two week delay of this response). I’ve been in Japan for the past three years, but I’m back now. let’s hang out at some con again sometime :p

Dark_Sage says:

Def. CryCon2016 is this coming weekend at my house if you find yourself in Minnesota~

rintaun says:

Sadly I can’t make it to Minnesota this weekend :P Maybe next time

Solaristics says:

My cancer is getting cancer from all this drama.

Pasi Viiksekäs says:

Hi.

I want to become a fansubber. I was told that a side called 8ths.in has all the necessary basic information one needs to learn the basics. Unfortunately, the site seems to be down, so can you provide any recommendations of similar sites?

Thanks in advance.

Dark_Sage says:

8th’s site is down? I know we stopped being palsy in these later years, but if he’d asked I woulda hosted it for free. Rip. (Though, no, he wasn’t really teaching the basics — dude’s wheelhouse was being a TL/TLC.)

Pasi, there are a number of tutorials online for things like timing or karaoke or typesetting, but generally the best way to learn is to join groups that are willing to train you. So find groups you like or that you’re at least neutral toward and check their websites for recruitment guidelines. You’re gonna have to be flexible with your time and a quick learner to succeed (unless you’re fluent in Japanese and English, then you get to skip a few steps).

yukon says:

You just literally suggested to him that he should join commie as they train newbies.

Dark_Sage says:

Most groups will train newbies.

yukon says:

I am pretty sure commie is the only group that is willing to train newcomers. Almost all the other groups are looking for experienced fansubbers, especially translators.

Dark_Sage says:

From a cursory glance (I have a meeting to get to in 5 minutes):
http://damedesuyo.com/?page_id=101
https://chihiro-subs.com/2016/04/04/want-to-work-with-us/
http://fffansubs.org/?page_id=4602
https://www.goodjobmedia.com/application-form/

In general, as long as someone demonstrates intelligence and a will to learn, and the group has resource availability for training and a current or upcoming need for staff, they’re willing to give people a chance.

CryLess says:

Is Dark_Sage British?

Dark_Sage says:

No, I brush my teeth.

Black Shads says:

Dark_Sage, one of the biggest anime groups on Steam made their own “game.” Readers here would probably love a review. http://store.steampowered.com/app/472680/

Dark_Sage says:

>one of the biggest groups
>can’t even scrape $5k together
I can only imagine the quality of the demo they’ve made.

Black Shads says:

They have a huge follower count; I’m surprised they haven’t pulled more than $1200 together.

It’s likely most of their users just searched “anime” and clicked the follow button because they enjoyed Attack on Titan.

Their page is also quite repulsive. https://steamcommunity.com/groups/The-Anime-In-Me#announcements

Dark_Sage says:

>WeLoveAnimes

Disgusting.

Black Shads says:

The comments on the front page… jesus…

Spoiler:

Dark_Sage says:

Oh shit, time to make new friends.

Kamica says:

Time to start thinking about the Summer 2016 anime season preview?

Terrasux says:

Summer is shit.

PP says:

No time like never.

Terrasux says:

Commie won’t translate Kizumonogatari.
Where did the world go wrong?

Dark_Sage says:

Praise the anime gods.

Terrasux says:

No Commie = no subs.
GL watching raw.

Dark_Sage says:

Looking forward to it. Raw will have a better translation anyway.

jymmy says:

Already did – it was fine. A lot of the movie is Araragi screaming, anyway.

Welp says:

Commie’s dick is delicious.

lotusgg says:

>no summer preview yet

Dark_Sage says:

Yeah, sorry, let me finish off Spring 2016, I literally only have six more eps to get through before I can mark it off as complete.

Solaristics says:

Go watch ToZ. They changing the story up (Thank god).

Dark_Sage says:

Thank god, indeed. That game was awful.

Solaristics says:

I hope you’ll post that review you were doing.

Also, I think the girl from Tales of Berseria might make an appearance in the anime somehow. They showed her in the opening at the end of the prologue episode.

Humanity says:

You should post it tomorrow as part of Crymore’s celebration of America Day

Dark_Sage says:

Any excuse to delay is to me quite okay.

Dark_Sage says:

You won’t get a standard preview this season. You will get previews though. So, there’s that.

Vance says:

Dark_Sage, how are you enjoying Subaru’s descent into madness?

He has broken down before during the fifth iteration of the mansion loop. We’ve seen him react to Rem’s bringing out her mace when they crossed the village barrier after having been killed by her during the second iteration of the mansion arc and to Ram showing off her wind magic right in front of him which she had killed him with during the third iteration of the arc (she killed him during his rant after Rem had healed him). Even those who are currently his allies can trigger him.

He had mistakenly placed Emilia on a pedestal as the one true waifu who could understand him, the poor NEET, but he repeatedly does things that make it appear like he enjoys keeping her in the dark, like not explaining why he has to leave the mansion to save the kids and not suddenly not being able to speak at all since when he speaks with the intent to reveal his circumstances, the hand starts gripping him. Getting his inflated sense of NEET self-worth stomped all over and being rejected by Emilia has caused him to snap.

Dark_Sage says:

Madness? Eh, that’s not really it. Despair, maybe. Dude’s not flipping his shit though.

I think the show’s doing a great job of subverting common tropes and showing the viewer that Subaru is a fucked up piece of shit, regardless of how likable he is. Considering Subaru is the ultimate self-insert power fantasy character, it is a fucking harsh mirror to throw up, and goddamn do I respect them for it.

Welp says:

Fyurie is a good fansubber.
I should learn from him.
https://u.pomf.is/iinjji.JPG

Dark_Sage says:

Don’t fix what ain’t broke is a good concept. Another good concept: don’t re-release someone else’s effort and brand it as your own original work if you haven’t so much as touched it.

Fyurie says:

I mean, Ore Monogatari had a fuckload of TS that simulcasters don’t/can’t do. TS that took both groups’ TSers 12h+ of TSing time to do.

That reason alone is a pretty decent one to use a good script and add the TS and OP/ED translations. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what FFF/Commie did for that show.

If a group is doing a show and want to do the best job, they shouldn’t change things for the sake of “making it our own”.

We’re trying to deliver the best product, not the most unique and personalised one.

Subbing’s changed a lot as simulcasters have gotten gradually more reliable (or well, since CR started doing a bunch of projects in-house with some very good ex-fansub TLs at the helm).

We either change along with them, or we fade into absolute obscurity. We’re already obscure enough as it is, so let’s try evolving a little.

moozooh says:

I wish more fansubbers took that reasoning to heart, or at least applied it to more of their work. I mean, this blog alone exposes god knows how much sub lines changed by fansub editors for the worse for no good reason other than to be original, witty, or otherwise different.

If the official script is bad to begin with, it only makes sense to put effort into finding a capable TL because working off of a bad script never really results in anything good. If the original script is accurate enough, it makes sense to look for a sensible editor instead who would fix the remaining problems and not botch the good parts (apparently this is harder than it seems). Everything else is bound to either multiply the effort or degrade the quality even further. And the amount of shows worth that extra effort is what, 1-2 per year or so?

IzumiSena says:

Oh yeah, that typesetting in Ore Monogatari
Typesetting is a general issue with the Monogatari series and publishers. I was happy Commie did Ore Monogatari and the rest of the Monogatari Series in a timely manner. I don’t think waiting one day or two make one commit sudoku, especially when it’s some great Monogatari show.

Terrasux says:

Yeah, cuz we all care about typesetting.[/sarcasm]

IzumiSena says:

Yeah, cuz we all care about memeposting.[/sarcasm]

Welp says:

Thanks, now I know we don’t need anything but typesetter to run a typesetting fansub groups these days.

Fyurie says:

Good joke. Am chuckling IRL.

atikabubu says:

“We need a new encoder!” – said no one ever.

Terrasux says:

Most fansubs suck at encoding. Just grup Horrible instead of terrible Chihiro’s mpeg artifacts or FFF’s super bloats (weight x2, no difference in quality).

Kristen says:

In ways it’s true – don’t fix what’s not broken. It’s a bit hard to believe that there were 0 lines that could have been made better, but having not seen the script, I’m not going to judge.
However, you could also avoid falling into obscurity by doing an original translation of the show. Fans seem to love that for some reason. But, that usually involves more effort than groups are willing to put in.

Fyurie says:

I haven’t seen the Ore script, so I can’t speak for that either. The points I was making are more general and branch out beyond just that one show.

I don’t think doing an original translation for the sake of it is ever the right decision, especially if the simulcast script is exceptionally accurate already. You’re putting in work to create something worse.

A group that wants to do a show that has a bad simulcast script/no simulcast script will still do an original translation if they really want to pick up the show.

I’ll re-iterate this last part from my previous post, because it’s by and far the most important thing to take away from this topic:

“Subbing’s changed a lot as simulcasters have gotten gradually more reliable (or well, since CR started doing a bunch of projects in-house with some very good ex-fansub TLs at the helm).

We either change along with them, or we fade into absolute obscurity. We’re already obscure enough as it is, so let’s try evolving a little.”

I stand by this, and I do what I can to move my group forward. My hope is that other subbers appreciate what I’m trying to explain here, and look to do the same within their communities.

Kristen says:

Not saying it’s a right decision. Decisions made for the sole purposes of fan opinion rarely are. Just saying that it is one way to stay relevant, as fans tend to like original TLs.

But the only think I particularly disagree with is “as simulcasters have gotten gradually more reliable (or well, since CR started doing a bunch of projects in-house with some very good ex-fansub TLs at the helm).” When CR started licensing in 2009 and did a couple of shows, they were really good for everything for exactly what you were saying – good ex-fansub TLs only. But since then, it feels like CR over-expanded, taking on too many shows, and as such had to hire less-experienced and worse TLs. So now it feels hit or miss.

Fyurie says:

Oh, CR’s definitely still hit or miss, I agree, but their hits are disgustingly well-done.

Most of their misses generally aren’t in-house (now) though, it’s usually the stuff they have to get from the publishers due to either manpower or contractual constraints that tend to miss. Aniplex being a wonderful example of this.

SoTotallyGovna says:

Isn’t it funny that the guy criticizing groups for using official scripts is the same guy that runs a BD group and only uses other scripts to produce what they do.

It’s like they’re using different standards for you than they do for themselves.

Fyurie says:

To be fair Govna, Kristen isn’t criticizing the use of official scripts, he simply wants to understand why they made no changes to that particular one.

A certain someone else in the comment chain who doesn’t sub at all is doing exactly that, though. Target that discussion towards him.

SoTotallyGovna says:

I was pointing to the comment about ‘the only way to stay relevant is to OTL’ but I guess things get weird in how the comment section is ordered.

The only thing I would add would be if you’re only care is to ‘be relevant’ you could easily claim to be an OTL. It’s been done in the past and the only people to notice are sites like this since no one that would download just for an OTL claim would probably care enough to check.

Kristen says:

“you could also avoid falling into obscurity”
“could also avoid”
“also”

SoTotallyGovna says:

My only point being that it’s clearly not true. Plenty of groups that do only original TLs no one gives a fuck about (bit, bitmap (what a weird theme), yumeiro?) and the groups that still are probably considered prominent do a lot more of the official source editing.
You can easily say that the other groups don’t do that great of work, but more’s the point.

Not to mention, you’ve existed for forty years now and haven’t done a single OTL, or even I think had a tlc go over your stuff. That would seem to be even more evidence that no one actually cares about any of that stuff, and it’s just a weird thing you like to say.

Kristen says:

“Not to mention, you’ve existed for forty years now and haven’t done a single OTL”

It was called Chihiro. Even though I’ve fallen out with them, I was the active leader of them from April 2008->May 2012, and again briefly from May 2013->September 2013.

“or even I think had a tlc go over your stuff.”

Please discuss with Xythar, herkz, and Eien about how you believe their TL teams suck and need another TLC from me.

“That would seem to be even more evidence that no one actually cares about any of that stuff”

It’s so cute that you say such ridiculous statements to try to get me to respond. Sorry, I’m not available to date. I’m too messed up in the head to burden myself onto any other guy or girl.

“and it’s just a weird thing you like to say.”

I may have said it, but I don’t recall it. I’ve been pretty honest that mostly everything I do is for reasons involving me, and not for fans. That’s why Aikatsu is priority #1, and not something like Monogatari.

SoTotallyGovna says:

Man a whole post responding to nothing I typed.
Impressive.

Kristen says:

When you post something you believe instead of troll bait, let me know.

SoTotallyGovna says:

I dunno why you’re so insecure, but nothing I post is bait.

You’re just a bad subber.

Kristen says:

“You’re just a bad subber.”

Still waiting for something you believe instead of more bait.

SoTotallyGovna says:

You don’t actually know how to sub which is why things like itsP’s styling errors always get passed you?

Kristen says:

“which is why things like itsP’s styling errors always get passed you?”
Not going to pretend that I knew that random obscure fact about his styles. Nobody had mentioned it anywhere, so not like I really had a chance to know that it didn’t work on one particular subtitle render. I use the standard CCCP, so if VSFilter works, then that’s all that I see.
That said, now that the issue has been mentioned, am I going to do it again? No, not really. Subbing is a learning process, and seeing how I’ve never had anyone to teach or correct me outside of random comments, it’s a surprise I’ve come as far as I have.

“You don’t actually know how to sub” though is still just baiting instead of your actual belief.

Also, next time you want to criticize someone, Mr. QC, why don’t you pay attention to your own grammar. It’s not “get passed,” it’s “get past.” Further, you are not asking a question, so you should end with a “.” and not a “?”. I don’t claim to be a QC, but if even I notice something like that, then what does that say about you?

SoTotallyGovna says:

Thanks for kritisizing my grammar it’s a big help.
My point being that, especially as a group lead, you should know to test your releases on the different renderers. Especially considering vsfilter is pretty much only a mpc-x thing. Absolutely everyone else will be using some weird deviant of libass. Not to mention libass is like super sexy now.

And on top of that, you’ve supposedly worked with itsP before, and the broken styles are kind of his calling card. The fact that you didn’t even know of its existence as a bug before is kind of more telling than anything.

Kristen says:

*Shrug*

I don’t really give a rats ass about different renders. Especially when the error talked about wasn’t mentioned anywhere for 9 months since the initial release, and was only mentioned by a person with a long history of antagonizing me after the show was over (aka, before I could fix it for the final release).

As I’ve said, it’s something I’ll learn from and will be checking future releases for itsP errors. Dunno what more you want.

SoTotallyGovna says:

For you to either sub well or stop shitting on other subbers for subbing.

Kristen says:

Too bad I already do the first, and you cannot see that.

Kristen says:

It’s just too bad that you are so one-dimensional in your hatred for me that you see a simple comment that fans like original TLs as “shitting on other subbers for subbing.”

SoTotallyGovna says:

I’m not one dimensional nor do I hate you. I’ve even typeset for you through a few people before.

I dunno where you get any of that.

Kristen says:

Constant hyperbole, insults, and troll bait? No, it’s pretty safe to say you hate me. And don’t give me that TS crap. You owed a debt to Hybrid, that was all.

SoTotallyGovna says:

I don’t owe a debt to hybrid or anyone. I do so much weird random stuff for people that the group LNS was made just to centralize everyone asking me to do stuff.

And none of what I said was hyperbole or trollbait. Now matter how much you don’t like it, it’s not trollbait.

Kristen says:

When you can be honest with yourself, get back to me. Kay?

SoTotallyGovna says:

I’m not being dishonest? How could I possibly owe a debt to hybrid, that one guy that’s the reason I had to learn to time.

Kristen says:

You’re trying too hard to troll.

That said, the only particular thing I’d criticize a fansub group on is not crediting the R1 source for the base subs.

Fyurie says:

To be fair, at least at GJM, all of our projects list the script source as the Translator of a given show.

Welp says:

I don’t know if using other groups’ script can be called “evolve” and “moving forward”.
But who knows?

Fyurie says:

Set up a group, work with other subbers, and aim for a high bar. You’ll soon agree with what I’m saying.

Working with original TLs isn’t always conducive to quality results. For a lot of smaller and/or newer groups, it can even be detrimental to their end-result.

Terrasux says:

>Set up a group

What for? I’m supposed to download illegal fansubs? When I can simply pay for CR? Just die already, you useless fags.

QQwerty says:

Whoa there, Mr. Edgy, need a sharps container?

Fyurie says:

Then continue to subscribe to CR and ignore Nyaa and the fansub community as a whole.

I watch shows that I’m not subbing on CR’s site with my premium account. You aren’t a special snowflake.

Lastly, I and the others in this chain are not even fucking talking to you, buddy. If you aren’t interested, then I couldn’t care less about your opinion.

Period says:

Enjoy Aniplex shows on CR.

dude says:

Check out Funi’s subs for Saiki Kusuo. It’s almost impressive how unwatchably obnoxious they are.

atikabubu says:

& confirmed as Commie 3.0 for their Bananya release.

PP says:

They are trying to pull a Mori.

moozooh says:

Who was Commie 2.0?

atikabubu says:

Vivid

Brevsky says:

Hey, Sage, could you review Tales of Zestiria?
Surprisingly, Funimation beat Daisuki in terms of quality.

Video:
http://diff.pics/cr8kFRbWj9zM/1

Subs (just some examples):

>Ep 00 (18:37)
Daisuki: It cooled down (lol what)
Funimation: I lost interest.

>Ep 03 (2:29)
Daisuki: They’re waiting for sword inspection (lolno)
Funimation: Security checkpoint!

Looks like Funi’s translator is actually watching this show… Daisuki didn’t bother.

Dark_Sage says:

…now this is relevant to my interests.

Brevsky says:

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Daisuki has joined a production committee… and their script is just shit:
http://pastebin.com/3TEbRc5R

Funi OCR in case you want it (check comments):
https://animetosho.org/view/horriblesubs-tales-zestiria-x-02-720p-mkv.1005143
https://animetosho.org/view/horriblesubs-tales-zestiria-x-03-720p-mkv.1006814

Solaristics says:

Funi’s script sucks ass… I can pull out a equal number of terrible phrasing in funi’s video as well. Don’t even get me started with their terrible naming sense too.

Pat says:

I’m fine with incorrect names (not like many people care about game localization).
Daisuki has Google TL and terrible video, so Funi is just the lesser of two evils.

Srsly…

>検問待ち→sword inspection
lol what<

Daisuki TL's an idiot.

Solaristics says:

Funi’s tl/editor is no better. Their fucking episode 0 had so many lines that didn’t even flow like a normal person would say. I’d still rather watch Daisuki/Commie tbh.

Kek says:

Funi doesn’t have TL errors. Daisuki is worse even with better editing.
Just saw episode 6, and…

>I thought about it, but I don’t know how to move a ship.
So, I can’t let you devour it.

>>Come to think of it, I don’t know how to operate a ship.
Therefore, I cannot let the dragon eat her.

Guess which one went through Daisuki’s google tl.
I have to rip Funi myself. Nyaa has only google version (top kek).

Brevsky says:

>When you can be honest with yourself, get back to me. Kay?

Guys… just fuck already.

Pat says:

D_S, Kizumonogatari when?

atikabubu says:

When every ESL with autism stops releasing their “subs” and someone even close to a B-tier group subs it properly, using a BDMV as source.

flipr says:

Holy shit, when did Nyaa start pulling this adspam garbage? Like hell am I going to click some sketchy-ass image and let third-party scripts run.

flipr says:

Nevermind. I somehow found my way to some weird alternate-reality nyaa. All is as expected once I returned to the .se timeline.

Fyurie says:

If you have the URL for that dodgy site, you should probably let us know in the NyaaTorrents IRC channel so it can be blacklisted from potential malicious use on NT itself (comments/descriptions/etc).

Pat says:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=837821
>Patiently waiting for D_S shitpost

Calyrica says:

Looking for a new Rizon BNC. Suggestions?

I’ve been absent from IRC for nearly a month since the server mine was hosted on went kaput and I can’t seem to get the owner to care. Before anyone suggests it, Rizon’s official bouncer doesn’t work for me. The port is blocked at the ISP level because my ISP is an idiot.

For those of you that I sub with: I did not intend to abandon projects. I will jump right back in as soon as I can get back on IRC in a reliable fashion.

begna112 says:

Caly, hop on IRC, I can get you one.

Calyrica says:

Thanks begna–I’ll do so when I get home. 6ish Central Time.

James Carson says:

do you write about anime anymore? Just tell me which sub group I should use for re:zero?

Dark_Sage says:

DameDesuYo

Gub says:

Why the fuck is this site so often offline

Dark_Sage says:

Offline? As in, me not posting? Or as in actual technical errors? I pay a lot to keep this thing on solid hosting so I’d like to know if shit’s actually crashing on you folks or if cloudflare is fucking up.

Kek says:

Everything is fine, officer.

Humanity says:

>tfw you’ll never again experience the golden age of crymore where there was a new post like every day ;-;
I still pop in here every now and again to see what’s up though. This IS still my favorite anime site after all. <3

Dark_Sage says:

I seriously need to look into adderall…

Kamica says:

Fall 2016 anime season preview when?

Kamica says:

Maybe these PVs could convince you to get started on it?

Dark_Sage says:

Those PVs sure got me started, at least.

Dark_Sage says:

All right, I’ll have at least one out by Thursday night. Two if I can really swing it. Don’t expect anything but AWA posts this coming weekend though.

Retkit says:

Keijo aoty!

Dark_Sage says:

tbh, not excited. There are tons of ecchi that tell a legit story but this looks like just another Sekai de Ichiban.

Bunny says:

D_S this translation party’s broken: http://www.crymore.net/2014/01/14/translation-party-doki-vs-horriblesubs-vs-kaylith-vs-lazy-lily-vs-mezashite-sakura-trick-episode-01/

Actually, I think most old TL parties are broken, but that’s the only one I’m interested in at the moment. ┐(‘~`)┌

Dark_Sage says:

Oh boy, legacy code… Uhh… Can I get a raincheck on this?

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